Chinese Air Force related exports thread

[zyklon]

It's one of reasons why need to trust russian.

Maybe someone know why j-16 not exporting?

The Russians weren't happy when China fully indigenized the Su-27 as the J-11, framed it as an IP violation, and complained about it for years.

So to help placate Russia, China agreed not to export its domestically manufactured Flanker derivatives. However, China does export Flanker components.

 

[mack8]

I find the above claim rubbish (not aimed at the poster), it's just the typical western anti-russian/anti-chinese propaganda designed to drive a wedge between them. J-11 is obviously a licence produced Su-27 and both sides had to be happy with the agreement they finalized for that to happen. And i'm sure an agreement was reached about J-16 (Su-30 equivalent) too that satisfied both sides.

 

[zyklon]

I find the above claim rubbish (not aimed at the poster), it's just the typical western anti-russian/anti-chinese propaganda designed to drive a wedge between them. J-11 is obviously a licence produced Su-27 and both sides had to be happy with the agreement they finalized for that to happen. And i'm sure an agreement was reached about J-16 (Su-30 equivalent) too that satisfied both sides.

No offense taken. Just rehashing what in my humble opinion has been the general consensus on the issue for some time. Always happy to have a friendly discussion with reasonable people, even if we need to agree to disagree.

There's been a good number of stories reflecting Russian displeasure and concern arising from the emergence of the J-11 from mainstream Russian media outlets like Kommersant (

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Russia was hungry for hard currency in the 1990s and 2000s. Not to say much has changed.

Anyhow, so while there were persistent concerns — if not also frustration and even some resentment — that arms sales to China would not only enable reverse engineering, but also innovation and competition down the road, the Russians were more often than not compelled to move forward due to their financial straits.

In turn, I'd say the volume of their grievances were tuned down by the necessities of their circumstances . . .

 

[mshrief303]

No offense taken. Just rehashing what in my humble opinion has been the general consensus on the issue for some time. Always happy to have a friendly discussion with reasonable people, even if we need to agree to disagree.

There's been a good number of stories reflecting Russian displeasure and concern arising from the emergence of the J-11 from mainstream Russian media outlets like Kommersant (

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) and Lenta.com (

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), including allegations of Chinese espionage.

Russia was hungry for hard currency in the 1990s and 2000s. Not to say much has changed.

Anyhow, so while there were persistent concerns — if not also frustration and even some resentment — that arms sales to China would not only enable reverse engineering, but also innovation and competition down the road, the Russians were more often than not compelled to move forward due to their financial straits.

In turn, I'd say the volume of their grievances were tuned down by the necessities of their circumstances . . .

Russia still holds procurement policies from the soviet union, they still try to uphold their monopoly in some areas even though they're not the best at it -- same for france. Fields like fighters, engines, rocketry...etc, is still treated as an asset that can't be shared.

They could've updated their policies and shared technologies and made a bigger web of allies, and accumulated money and built the supply chain that can make them move to next generations of platforms/systems/weaponary, but they didn't and most likely they won't unless something very great happen to them.