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Inst

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All of this stuff represents the state of the art, not only the Chinese AAMs, but also US missiles like the extended range SM-6 that can target both aircraft and surface vessels at extended range. If the PL-XX does exist, and can kill enemy aircraft at 400 km at Mach 6, it should also follow that the PL-XX's technologies can be adapted to the anti-ship role, to outrange the SM-6 at 500 km vs shipborne targets.
 

latenlazy

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What tickles me most about this new missile is that it basically kills the J-20 intercepting Tankers and AWACs idea in the crib. Some of us have been arguing for years now that the same mission profile could be achieved with over the horizon radars and a flanker, and low and behold, we now have this missile and the soaring eagle,.
 

Hendrik_2000

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China successfully test fire a new solid engine for missile . In this article the author is confused or what It will extend the kill range of J 20 or any other plane but it does not extend the range of J 20
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China successfully tests solid-fuel missile engine, state media says

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China is improving on the firing range of its missiles with recent tests of a solid-fuel engine that operates most efficiently at supersonic speeds. File Photo by Stephen Shaver/UPI
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June 6 (UPI) -- China has completed a successful test of a solid-fuel engine that would improve the firing range of missiles, according to state media.

Beijing's state tabloid
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reported the military's solid-fuel variable flow ramjet engine underwent two tests.

The engine would improve the stealth-fighting capabilities of the J-20 fighter aircraft, according to China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp.

A ramjet is a jet engine that operates most efficiently at supersonic speeds. It operates by injecting fuel into compressed air during high-speed flight and is chiefly used in missile technology.

Chinese military expert Song Zhongping, formerly of the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force, said the new engine would increase the firing range of the J-20, and mobility for air-to-air and anti-ship missiles.

China has been working on a new missile engine with a special team since 2000, and has conducted eight tests with the No. 4 research institute.

Song said if the engine is miniaturized, China's air-to-air missiles could travel at a hypersonic speed of Mach 5, or five times the speed of sound, while capable of striking targets at distances of about 180 miles.

The new engine could be fitted on China's new missiles, including the PL-12, Song said.

The J-20 is capable of flying long distances while receiving air refueling, and can fire long-range cruise missiles.
 

defenceman

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What tickles me most about this new missile is that it basically kills the J-20 intercepting Tankers and AWACs idea in the crib. Some of us have been arguing for years now that the same mission profile could be achieved with over the horizon radars and a flanker, and low and behold, we now have this missile and the soaring eagle,.
Hi just a thought might be a wrong but is it a possibility for the opponent fighter to target this AAM missile with his own wing missile
Thx
 

Hendrik_2000

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Here is a better report about the new missile engine from Navyrecon
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China successfully tests new variable flow ramjet engine

China has successfully tested its solid-fuel variable flow ramjet engine in two recent airspace experiments, a breakthrough in the engine research fields which could enhance real combat ability of China's stealth aircraft including the J20 jet fighters, according to a research team from No. 4 research institute affiliated with the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation.

Artist's rendering showing a J-20 fighter jet shooting air-to-air missile
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A research team from No. 4 research institute affiliated with the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation revealed on May 31 that the team has successfully conducted two flight tests with the solid-fuel variable flow ramjet engine. The team said the new ramjet engine is ready for further engineering application, paving the way for China's next generations of hypersonic missiles, the Science and Technology Daily reported on Thursday.

According to the report, the solid-fuel ramjet engine is a member of the ramjet engine family, which has the advantage of low cost, high power, and high controllability with compact size. And it is hardly accessible in the world as it demands sophisticated and highly difficult research on technology.

The new engine, can remarkably increase the firing range and mobility for air-to-air missiles and antiship missiles equipped with China's stealth aircraft including the J20 jet fighters, Song Zhongping, a military expert who used to serve in the PLA Rocket Force, told the Global Times.

The engine will enable the J20 fighters to fire from greater range and the missiles to fly faster at a hypersonic speed, which will increase their combat ability, Song said.

The research institute has established a special research team to work on the project since 2000, and in recent years, the research institute has conducted eight flight tests with the new ramjet engines.

It is a milestone in the field of engine research, which has been a bottleneck for China for quite a while, Li Jie, a Beijing-based military expert, told the Global Times on Monday.

Once the engine achieves miniaturization, it will very likely enable China's air-to-air missiles to strike targets up to 300 kilometers at a speed faster than Mach 5, Song estimated, adding that the engine can be applied to China's latest missiles including PL12 missiles.

A lot of research needs to be done in the future to achieve that. For example, China should also conduct research on building up a super range detection network to support such a long-range strike, and the precision guiding system should be capable of processing information at super high speeds, Wang Ya'nan, chief editor of the Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told the Global Times.

At present, such an engine will be mainly used on missiles, as for the manned aircraft, there is still a long way to go, since the thrust of such engines are still not enough for that, Song said.

Cruise missiles and experimental aircraft including drones can also adopt such technology to realize high-speed travel within the atmosphere, Wang added.

(Source: Global Times/Zhang Tao)
 

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same pic as what deino posted in the flanker thread: j-16 carrying PL-15 and PL-10... Hopefully, along with J-10C, those two missiles are now standard A2A munitions for them. In time, PL-12 and PL-8 variants should hopefully cease production and all older 4th gen aircraft will be fitted with PL-15 and PL-10 capability.

 
same pic as what deino posted in the flanker thread: j-16 carrying PL-15 and PL-10... Hopefully, along with J-10C, those two missiles are now standard A2A munitions for them. In time, PL-12 and PL-8 variants should hopefully cease production and all older 4th gen aircraft will be fitted with PL-15 and PL-10 capability.

simple question .. what actually it takes to be able to fit/fire PL-15 and PL-10 (than older PL-12 and PL-8)? Does it need to upgrade the avionic including radar as well?
 

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simple question .. what actually it takes to be able to fit/fire PL-15 and PL-10 (than older PL-12 and PL-8)? Does it need to upgrade the avionic including radar as well?
Unsure. However I imagine there is some kind of software and probably hardware modification
 

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