Chinese air to air missiles

Well 4 bands I would believe, considering much earlier Russian seekers used two bands in the infrared range to improve IRCCM. So perhaps the PL-8B uses 2 bands in the IR and 2 in the UV.

As to the number of elements, I find it difficult to believe that a 64 element device can be called "imaging". Try taking some image and reducing it to 8 x 8 pixels. That's the quality of image you'll get. I think it would be quite a challenge to get digital filtering algorithm to get any meaningful counter measure suppression at that resolution. So one bright dot becomes two, going in two directions; you have such a small view arc to estimate their speed and you must decide to continue to track one or the other before it is outside the view arc and lost. I guess if your optics can saccade between two targets fast enough, 8x8 would be adequate.

Still, if the target maneuvers so that the flair looks like it is going straight while the target looks like it is shooting off to the side like a flair, that'd be quite a challenge to the imaging paradigm of counter measure suppression. All the seeker gets is a projection of the scene on to its 8x8 image plane. That's really not much to work with.

this should be what PL-8B and PL-9C use right now at minimum, this 128 x 128 element Insb IR detector was shown in 2004


Also, is this a new short ranged AAM on this Flanker? The ones on the wing.

The Chinese forum is calling this the Chinese Iris-T, but I don't know. Picture is a little murky.

Looks like sticks...or ECM pods.

Maneuvering fins seem awfully small. Any chance of using TVC nozzles?

Skywatcher said:

Maneuvering fins seem awfully small. Any chance of using TVC nozzles?

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if the design is based on Iris-t as the picture and prc sources indicate, then it should be using TVC nozzles.

drawing of PL-10,according to the translation, the missile design PL-ASR will enter service in 2010.

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drawing of PL-10,according to the translation, the missile design PL-ASR will enter service in 2010.

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yeah, I saw that too, I'm not sure how real that is though. Although, it has long been mentionned (from interviews with PL-9C and SD-10 designer) that they are working on a new generation SRAAM, an upgraded PL-12 and a LRAAM. The SRAAM and LRAAM are supposed to be similar to Iris-t and Meteor according to some of the so-called big shrimps. Which is why the pictures were so interesting to me.

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Hmmm ... ??? I'm not 100% sure - maybe we wait for Crobato's estimation !- but the J-8 itself looks not perfect clear in comparison to the missile and esp. its fins ... also the angle of the fins (X) look slightly off in comparison ... just my two cents.

But maybe this is the same missile-body of that strange J-8F + LS-6 as we were then discussing what kind of pod/missile or what-else was fitted under the wing.

Quite strage, it seems that the PL-10 designatio is re-used !????

Deino

... and it looks very much like the South-African A-Darter