China IRBM/SRBM (and non-ICBM/SLBM) thread

Xiongmao

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Does anyone know of any actual video footage of an IRBM or ICBM hitting the ground after test flight. Just curious what an impact from object descending from space at high speed would look like. Cheers men.
 

Kalec

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Does anyone know of any actual video footage of an IRBM or ICBM hitting the ground after test flight. Just curious what an impact from object descending from space at high speed would look like. Cheers men.
If you mean by Chinese missiles, I am afraid no. They probably filmed some of impact moments but never publish them.

Peacekeeper RV Impact
 

Kalec

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A two-stage IRBM test about to happen on Dec 10th.

From Jilantai to Korla, likely to be an operational test.

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Four months later on April 20, another operational test of IRBM with identical drop zones.

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Are there any discussions of the implications of the purported 4000-8000 km range DF-27s? That's very interesting, because Urumqi and Paris are separated by only 7000 km, and given China's no-first-use policy China can actually use its ballistic missiles for anti-ship missions, essentially denying the US the ability to use its carriers in Eurasia.

Moreover, H-20s with 8000 km range can do a similar job, and if future Chinese aircraft maintain a similar range advantage over comparable Western systems, it's implying 6000 km range strike fighters on the NGAD generation.
 

Andy1974

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Are there any discussions of the implications of the purported 4000-8000 km range DF-27s? That's very interesting, because Urumqi and Paris are separated by only 7000 km, and given China's no-first-use policy China can actually use its ballistic missiles for anti-ship missions, essentially denying the US the ability to use its carriers in Eurasia.

Moreover, H-20s with 8000 km range can do a similar job, and if future Chinese aircraft maintain a similar range advantage over comparable Western systems, it's implying 6000 km range strike fighters on the NGAD generation.
DF-27 purported range also means that any PLAN vessels in the Eastern Mediterranean are covered by the PLARF. Which is interesting because we saw some art work of Fujian with a Lebanese flag the other day.

H-20 with similar range could probably not do that job because it would have to fly through unpermitted airspace, while the DF-27 could probably fly over that airspace.

For me, the most tantalizing impact of DF-27 though is that its technology, concepts, models, launchers, vehicles etc, can be widely shared with other countries who face hegemony, giving them deterrent ability, and changing the equation as Iran just did. Its cost is only going to come down, so it’s possible that it could be widely deployed and afforded, the booster might even become reusable in the future. I wish that any country that signs the Global Security Initiative with China, and has a National Security law should get a deterrent, and DF-27 would certainly deter anyone.

The biggest weakness of DF-27 that I can think of is that your opponents probably know where you are shooting from and can target you, so I think it’s important to get it launched from the sea, or from under it.
 

Wrought

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DF-27 purported range also means that any PLAN vessels in the Eastern Mediterranean are covered by the PLARF. Which is interesting because we saw some art work of Fujian with a Lebanese flag the other day.

H-20 with similar range could probably not do that job because it would have to fly through unpermitted airspace, while the DF-27 could probably fly over that airspace.

For me, the most tantalizing impact of DF-27 though is that its technology, concepts, models, launchers, vehicles etc, can be widely shared with other countries who face hegemony, giving them deterrent ability, and changing the equation as Iran just did. Its cost is only going to come down, so it’s possible that it could be widely deployed and afforded, the booster might even become reusable in the future. I wish that any country that signs the Global Security Initiative with China, and has a National Security law should get a deterrent, and DF-27 would certainly deter anyone.

The biggest weakness of DF-27 that I can think of is that your opponents probably know where you are shooting from and can target you, so I think it’s important to get it launched from the sea, or from under it.

One of the crazier ideas I had was the PLARF using conventional ICBMs on Day 1 to strike US platforms across the world. Since it's Day 1, all your ISTAR is pristine and you have plenty of time to make every necessary preparation. Obviously that would be a hugely escalatory move, but I think if Beijing consistently communicated the message for years in advance that conventional ICBMs were on the table and also kept the salvo small enough (<100 or so) that it wouldn't threaten second-strike even if nuclear, it just might work out.

Of course there would be no way back from that and you're committed to a world war.
 

Red tsunami

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Are there any discussions of the implications of the purported 4000-8000 km range DF-27s? That's very interesting, because Urumqi and Paris are separated by only 7000 km, and given China's no-first-use policy China can actually use its ballistic missiles for anti-ship missions, essentially denying the US the ability to use its carriers in Eurasia.

Moreover, H-20s with 8000 km range can do a similar job, and if future Chinese aircraft maintain a similar range advantage over comparable Western systems, it's implying 6000 km range strike fighters on the NGAD generation.

Why is the range of H-20 8000km?
 
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