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pipaster

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Already operating 18 CP-140 (derivative of P-3 Orion Airframe and S-3 Viking ASW kit), so 16 is not crazy.
Probably half for Canada, the other half will be used to perform harassment missions against China, sorry... "Indo-Pacific Security"
To protect the international rules based order.
 

Atomicfrog

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It's not like there was any other choice, there is no other MPA in NATO service now
Supposedly the government was presented with an offer from Bombardier based on the Global Express, but when consulting with Canadian Aerospace companies, they actually preferred Boeing

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Kawasaki P-1 would have been interesting but a 737 based aircraft is in a large part a maintenance easy choice.

CL-415MP would have been a great choice for Canadian coast SAR operation and surveillance with a Global Express based sytem would have provided most of the needed workforce for MPA. Still Canadian Government have an history of not buying local.
 
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RedMetalSeadramon

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Kawasaki P-1 would have been interesting but a 737 based aircraft is in a large part a maintenance easy choice.

CL-415MP would have been a great choice for Canadian coast SAR operation and surveillance with a Global Express based sytem would have provided most of the needed workforce for MPA. Still Canadian Government have an history of not buying local.
Canada remain one of the few countries that still makes commercially viable aircraft engines. Bombardier is basically too retarded at this point to make commercial airframes but maybe they can scrap up something with the Global Express. Canada also manages to keep its one alumina refinery running, which is remarkable since Europe and US are shutting theirs down. The Bombardier option would be good for the whole sector given the circumstances.

But it looks like the government's too stupid. Somehow more people results in less manufacturing for Canada.
 

gelgoog

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Canada remain one of the few countries that still makes commercially viable aircraft engines. Bombardier is basically too retarded at this point to make commercial airframes but maybe they can scrap up something with the Global Express. Canada also manages to keep its one alumina refinery running, which is remarkable since Europe and US are shutting theirs down. The Bombardier option would be good for the whole sector given the circumstances.
Canada has some of the cheapest and most plentiful hydro power in world. This is ideal for electrolysis of alumina to make aluminium.

But it looks like the government's too stupid. Somehow more people results in less manufacturing for Canada.
The problem with Canada's aviation industry is the neighbor down south constantly sabotaging them. Why did Bombardier need to sell out in the first place.
 
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RedMetalSeadramon

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Canada has some of the cheapest and most plentiful hydro power in world. This is ideal for electrolysis of alumina to make aluminium.
Yes, its actually amazing they've haven't managed to screw that up since there are no more bauxite mines in the country. Although i think it would only be a matter of time before they throw it all somehow.

The problem with Canada's aviation industry is the neighbor down south constantly sabotaging them. Why did Bombardier need to sell out in the first place.

Bombardier was in perpetual state of bankruptcy and was being bailed out to the point that it could effectively be considered an arm of the Quebec government. They end up finished the C-series around 2017, right in the middle of Trump NAFTA renegotiation era, then Boeing tries to force a 300% tariff on them. They then cant get into the US market without manufacturing there, which mean they sell the plane to Airbus, then they have no commercials plane, so they sell the commercial plane division. Then they sell the De Havilland prop division since they weren't making any and were just licensing out the designs.

Bombardier actually comes out with pretty decent designs, you can tell by how many countries use them, but they're just shit at manufacturing them.
 

supersnoop

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Kawasaki P-1 would have been interesting but a 737 based aircraft is in a large part a maintenance easy choice.

CL-415MP would have been a great choice for Canadian coast SAR operation and surveillance with a Global Express based sytem would have provided most of the needed workforce for MPA. Still Canadian Government have an history of not buying local.

There was no bidding process, and I doubt P-1 would even be offered since Japan has no experience in supporting foreign military sales.

In the article I posted, Canadian suppliers actually preferred working with Boeing. Although the Global Express would have additional work associated with the airframe, probably most of the subsystems would be the same manufacturers.

Bombardier actually comes out with pretty decent designs, you can tell by how many countries use them, but they're just shit at manufacturing them.

Bombardier doesn’t know how make anything. They also screwed up the transportation division and had to sell off the Alstom. They couldn’t even make trams, not exactly the pinnacle of high technology. Apparently simple things like screw holes were not sized properly.
 
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