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emblem21

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Right on bro but You don't seem to understand the personal hurt it imply, being friend and allies is to TRUST the wisdom of your friend and stick to it. What the US had shown is a betrayal, instead of nobody left behind it had become an America first.
That is sadly something that Canada has to bear unfortunately. Hopefully this will be a lesson for any other nation that trusts the USA so deeply is that they should expect betrayal somewhere down the line
 

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"The British prime minister has invited South Korea, India and Australia as guests to this year’s meeting as he tries to establish a so-called D-10 coalition of democracies to counter China and other authoritarian states. Johnson wants to champion global action and democratic values, and project the U.K. as a force for good after leaving the European Union.

Two European diplomats also warned there’s a risk that anti-China rhetoric foments a Cold War-style standoff with Beijing, which both said the G-7 must avoid after it batted away Donald Trump’s attempts to do the same.

“We reject any cliques or group politics under the pretext of multilateralism,” China Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Hua Chunying said at a press conference in Beijing on Tuesday. “We oppose using the pretext of multilateralism to impose rules determined by a few countries onto the international community.”

One diplomat said there would also be doubts within the group about whether a U.K. idea established for domestic reasons would have any staying power. The U.K. government didn’t respond to a request for comment.

The issue of expanding the G-7 cuts to the heart of questions about the future of the forum and where members’ strategic interests lie, especially on China."
@han1289

It didn't take long for BOJO to change his mind ;)

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Boris Johnson refuses to back Trump and Biden teams in calling Uighur situation ‘genocide’

PM says China’s treatment of Muslim majority ‘utterly abhorrent’



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minority as “genocide”, despite use of the term by both the Trump and Biden administrations.

Joe Biden’s nominee for Secretary of State,
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, signalled a tough line on China from the new administration in Washington on Tuesday, when he told a Senate confirmation hearing that he backed his predecessor
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’s charge of genocide against Beijing.

Mr Pompeo used his final full day in office as Donald Trump’s minister for international affairs to say: “I believe this genocide is ongoing and that we are witnessing the systematic attempt to destroy Uighurs by the Chinese party-state.”
He cited the forced sterilisation and torture of some of the “more than a million” civilians he said were detained under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party in the western province of Xinjiang.

But challenged to take the same step in the House of Commons on Wednesday, Mr Johnson insisted that, while he regarded the treatment of the Uighurs as “utterly abhorrent”, determining whether it amounted to genocide was a matter for judges, not politicians.

Mr Johnson was speaking a day after his government overturned an amendment to its trade bill which would have forced the UK to withdraw from any free trade agreement negotiated with a state guilty of genocide.
He told prime ministers questions in the Commons: “The attribution of genocide is a judicial matter.


“But I can say for myself that I regard what is happening in Xinjiang and what's happening to the Uighurs as utterly abhorrent.”
Mr Johnson was responding to a question from Scottish National Party Westminster leader Ian Blackford, who told MPs: "People would find the prime minister’s claims about the UK’s global leadership a bit more believable if last night he hadn’t ordered his MPs to vote down an amendment to the trade bill that would have stopped trade deals with countries who commit genocide.


"Genocide isn’t a matter of history, it is happening in our world right now. The international community has stood idly by as Uighur Muslim men, women and children are forced into concentration camps in China's Xinjiang province.
“Yesterday the outgoing US secretary of state officially said that genocide was taking place, and the incoming secretary of state, Anthony Blinken, agrees with his view.”

Mr Blackford called on the PM to follow the lead of Pompeo and Blinken, and “stand up today and clearly state that genocide is being committed against the Uighur population in China”.

Beijing rejected Mr Pompeo’s characterisation of its treatment of the Muslim minority.

Hua Chunying, a foreign ministry spokesperson, said: “Pompeo‘s comment on Xinjiang is just another one of his ridiculous lies. Pompeo is a clown . . . Genocide has never happened in China and will never happen in China.”

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SilentObserver

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Even after all this Canada still remains a loyal pet to the USA, so it is clear that there are not enough dead in Canada to warrant growing a brain as to what is more important, the death of love ones of satisfying an unloyal neighbour down south. So if you ask me, there simply isn’t enough dead people dying each day to justify considering accepting help from someone else. So it probably better to let things develop further to see if being a loyal dog to the USA is more important the. Caring about the nation (which I am starting to doubt right now because the leaders in Canada has long given up caring for the common good)
Canada is the backyard of empires, whether its the British, American or any future empire. Don't expect it to act as if its the master of its own destiny any time soon. It is not a country with a strong long term strategic culture like the US, Germany or China. One, it has to do with its scale. It's not populous enough to dictate its own path in a globalized world with complex supply chains. Second is the lack of an independent mindset within the elite circles, unlike the above mentioned countries which has an independent elite culture that manifests itself when the environment permits. It isn't easily willing to take on the costs of being responsible for an independent path.

There are some efforts in changing this, especially in terms of population. Without immigration Canada's population will be in decline with the passing of the boomer cohort. As outlined in the Century Initiative, Canada plans to increase its population to 100 million by 2100. This is an ambitious goal. The main contributor to net growth would be immigration, on the scale of over half a million a year.
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Canadian elites are fond of easy money. A policy to brain drain other nations by bringing in skilled workers is very profitable. Public education expenditures had already been handled by other nations. They pay triple or more the local post secondary education costs, then immediately become high value producing labour units. Very little investment to yield high value tax payers.
 

han1289

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It didn't take long for BOJO to change his mind ;)

from Morpheus (Pakistan defense forum)

Boris Johnson refuses to back Trump and Biden teams in calling Uighur situation ‘genocide’

PM says China’s treatment of Muslim majority ‘utterly abhorrent’



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has refused to describe the treatment of
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minority as “genocide”, despite use of the term by both the Trump and Biden administrations.

Joe Biden’s nominee for Secretary of State,
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, signalled a tough line on China from the new administration in Washington on Tuesday, when he told a Senate confirmation hearing that he backed his predecessor
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’s charge of genocide against Beijing.

Mr Pompeo used his final full day in office as Donald Trump’s minister for international affairs to say: “I believe this genocide is ongoing and that we are witnessing the systematic attempt to destroy Uighurs by the Chinese party-state.”
He cited the forced sterilisation and torture of some of the “more than a million” civilians he said were detained under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party in the western province of Xinjiang.

But challenged to take the same step in the House of Commons on Wednesday, Mr Johnson insisted that, while he regarded the treatment of the Uighurs as “utterly abhorrent”, determining whether it amounted to genocide was a matter for judges, not politicians.

Mr Johnson was speaking a day after his government overturned an amendment to its trade bill which would have forced the UK to withdraw from any free trade agreement negotiated with a state guilty of genocide.
He told prime ministers questions in the Commons: “The attribution of genocide is a judicial matter.


“But I can say for myself that I regard what is happening in Xinjiang and what's happening to the Uighurs as utterly abhorrent.”
Mr Johnson was responding to a question from Scottish National Party Westminster leader Ian Blackford, who told MPs: "People would find the prime minister’s claims about the UK’s global leadership a bit more believable if last night he hadn’t ordered his MPs to vote down an amendment to the trade bill that would have stopped trade deals with countries who commit genocide.


"Genocide isn’t a matter of history, it is happening in our world right now. The international community has stood idly by as Uighur Muslim men, women and children are forced into concentration camps in China's Xinjiang province.
“Yesterday the outgoing US secretary of state officially said that genocide was taking place, and the incoming secretary of state, Anthony Blinken, agrees with his view.”

Mr Blackford called on the PM to follow the lead of Pompeo and Blinken, and “stand up today and clearly state that genocide is being committed against the Uighur population in China”.

Beijing rejected Mr Pompeo’s characterisation of its treatment of the Muslim minority.

Hua Chunying, a foreign ministry spokesperson, said: “Pompeo‘s comment on Xinjiang is just another one of his ridiculous lies. Pompeo is a clown . . . Genocide has never happened in China and will never happen in China.”

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Talk big but no action - a hallmark of Five Eyes politicians.

No matter; let them infight and grapple with their self-inflicted domestic issues while China grows.
 

Petrolicious88

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It didn't take long for BOJO to change his mind ;)

from Morpheus (Pakistan defense forum)

Boris Johnson refuses to back Trump and Biden teams in calling Uighur situation ‘genocide’

PM says China’s treatment of Muslim majority ‘utterly abhorrent’



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has refused to describe the treatment of
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minority as “genocide”, despite use of the term by both the Trump and Biden administrations.

Joe Biden’s nominee for Secretary of State,
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, signalled a tough line on China from the new administration in Washington on Tuesday, when he told a Senate confirmation hearing that he backed his predecessor
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’s charge of genocide against Beijing.

Mr Pompeo used his final full day in office as Donald Trump’s minister for international affairs to say: “I believe this genocide is ongoing and that we are witnessing the systematic attempt to destroy Uighurs by the Chinese party-state.”
He cited the forced sterilisation and torture of some of the “more than a million” civilians he said were detained under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party in the western province of Xinjiang.

But challenged to take the same step in the House of Commons on Wednesday, Mr Johnson insisted that, while he regarded the treatment of the Uighurs as “utterly abhorrent”, determining whether it amounted to genocide was a matter for judges, not politicians.

Mr Johnson was speaking a day after his government overturned an amendment to its trade bill which would have forced the UK to withdraw from any free trade agreement negotiated with a state guilty of genocide.
He told prime ministers questions in the Commons: “The attribution of genocide is a judicial matter.


“But I can say for myself that I regard what is happening in Xinjiang and what's happening to the Uighurs as utterly abhorrent.”
Mr Johnson was responding to a question from Scottish National Party Westminster leader Ian Blackford, who told MPs: "People would find the prime minister’s claims about the UK’s global leadership a bit more believable if last night he hadn’t ordered his MPs to vote down an amendment to the trade bill that would have stopped trade deals with countries who commit genocide.


"Genocide isn’t a matter of history, it is happening in our world right now. The international community has stood idly by as Uighur Muslim men, women and children are forced into concentration camps in China's Xinjiang province.
“Yesterday the outgoing US secretary of state officially said that genocide was taking place, and the incoming secretary of state, Anthony Blinken, agrees with his view.”

Mr Blackford called on the PM to follow the lead of Pompeo and Blinken, and “stand up today and clearly state that genocide is being committed against the Uighur population in China”.

Beijing rejected Mr Pompeo’s characterisation of its treatment of the Muslim minority.

Hua Chunying, a foreign ministry spokesperson, said: “Pompeo‘s comment on Xinjiang is just another one of his ridiculous lies. Pompeo is a clown . . . Genocide has never happened in China and will never happen in China.”

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Johnson refused to back the term because it can’t be proven in court. If he backed it, it would have gone to the British courts, which can’t prove if genocide is happening.
 

ansy1968

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Talk big but no action - a hallmark of Five Eyes politicians.

No matter; let them infight and grapple with their self-inflicted domestic issues while China grows.
@han1289

The problem BOJO face is he needed both China and the US, but he can't have it both ways so he have to choose and he don't like that option. Its logical bloc is the EU, as @Gatekeeper commented he FXXK it UP big time with Brexit. So UK is in for a lot of hurt, their politician sure know a thing or two in losing POKER games...LOL.
 

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