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ougoah

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If they're shooting goals, then they must be shooting their own goals.

Just look at the last 20 years. The return rate of Chinese students studying abroad have soared from 15% in 2000 to nearly 90%. In particular, among students with advanced degrees, we've gone from 95% of them *staying* abroad in past years, to 83% of them *returning* home today!

Western propaganda isn't growing stronger, it's never been weaker.

Against non-Chinese it is stronger. This is also partially responsible for higher return rate of students as the animosity towards them have gone through the roof. I have personally witnessed the effectiveness of this on Chinese students over the last few years. This is a good and bad thing. Good only for China as it slows down the brain drain but still benefit from having some of its citizens broaden their academic horizons and experiences.

I think we're defining it differently. We can disagree about its effects but certainly China hate is at an all time high and in no small part due to this persistent and effective propaganda. The neutral world isn't swallowing the western koolaid as readily and I agree that it's all a double edged sword anyway. Within anglo countries though the sentiments are very clear with the vast majority of their populations accepting and spreading the propaganda. These I define as goals as they only do damage to China's reputation and therefore can only hurt its economic and political development. Surely it cannot be considered better for it. But because we're all so relatively powerless to really control the narratives, there is a tendency to downplay it, at least on this forum. It's almost (but not entirely) like Indians ignoring the reality of China having comprehensive military superiority over it because it's an uncomfortable issue and they are similarly powerless to really change that.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Against non-Chinese it is stronger. This is also partially responsible for higher return rate of students as the animosity towards them have gone through the roof. I have personally witnessed the effectiveness of this on Chinese students over the last few years. This is a good and bad thing. Good only for China as it slows down the brain drain but still benefit from having some of its citizens broaden their academic horizons and experiences.

I think we're defining it differently. We can disagree about its effects but certainly China hate is at an all time high and in no small part due to this persistent and effective propaganda. The neutral world isn't swallowing the western koolaid as readily and I agree that it's all a double edged sword anyway. Within anglo countries though the sentiments are very clear with the vast majority of their populations accepting and spreading the propaganda. These I define as goals as they only do damage to China's reputation and therefore can only hurt its economic and political development. Surely it cannot be considered better for it. But because we're all so relatively powerless to really control the narratives, there is a tendency to downplay it, at least on this forum. It's almost (but not entirely) like Indians ignoring the reality of China having comprehensive military superiority over it because it's an uncomfortable issue and they are similarly powerless to really change that.

Anti-China sentiment has always been there, just look at 2008. The difference is that the West is now facing difficult times, and people always look for a scapegoat during such times.

China doesn't need to compete with the West on propaganda. It just needs to make the truth known.
 

ougoah

Major
Registered Member
Anti-China sentiment has always been there, just look at 2008. The difference is that the West is now facing difficult times, and people always look for a scapegoat during such times.

China doesn't need to compete with the West on propaganda. It just needs to make the truth known.

You're right about the sentiment always being there and partly becoming more militant now that westerners are seeing the writing on the wall and experiencing a long overdue balancing in share of resources and living standards according to actual productivity and international competitiveness rather than colonialism, taking by force, slavery, cheap migrant labour, and military+psychological+economic warfare. Initial advantages can go a long way and everything adds up. By militarising people's thinking they can and have dampened China's progress.

Western propaganda has just been the engine that has created these sentiments in the first place and it is not slowing down. We could only speculate on how effectively it continues to carry and instill these sentiments. Anyway this is getting quite off topic now and I don't respond anymore.
 

j17wang

Junior Member
Registered Member
Against non-Chinese it is stronger. This is also partially responsible for higher return rate of students as the animosity towards them have gone through the roof. I have personally witnessed the effectiveness of this on Chinese students over the last few years. This is a good and bad thing. Good only for China as it slows down the brain drain but still benefit from having some of its citizens broaden their academic horizons and experiences.

I think we're defining it differently. We can disagree about its effects but certainly China hate is at an all time high and in no small part due to this persistent and effective propaganda. The neutral world isn't swallowing the western koolaid as readily and I agree that it's all a double edged sword anyway. Within anglo countries though the sentiments are very clear with the vast majority of their populations accepting and spreading the propaganda. These I define as goals as they only do damage to China's reputation and therefore can only hurt its economic and political development. Surely it cannot be considered better for it. But because we're all so relatively powerless to really control the narratives, there is a tendency to downplay it, at least on this forum. It's almost (but not entirely) like Indians ignoring the reality of China having comprehensive military superiority over it because it's an uncomfortable issue and they are similarly powerless to really change that.

There are things you can do even as an individual. 1. Start being very vocal on your social media accounts 2. Even as an individual, start pushing back against misinformation you see on wikipedia. Sure maybe you edit an article and it gets reversed/vandalized, but the time its on will still change the narrative bit by bit. Each individual is not powerless.
 

Breadbox

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Irans security apparatus is a joke. How on earth do you fail to protect one of your most valuable assets in your own country? That too in broad daylight.
I've heard of many anecdotes of the Iran being totally infiltrated by anti-government, Pro-US movements, things are not good in Iran, the country is totally divided, should the central government fall, there's bound to be civil war.
 

Breadbox

Junior Member
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very informative. tell us more about your thoughts.
I'm not sure if it's news? Anyone keeping in touch with the news will realise that the economic situation is rapidly deteriorating in Iran(and is getting worse now due to Covid) with the resumption of sanctions and there was a large civil protest in November last year.

There's a huge amount of anti-government sentiment within Iran itself(this is discounting the non-Iranian separatist/militia movements mind you), many people You also don't get both your top general and top nuclear scientists assassinated without an inside source. Many Iranian from what I've heard, sees and treats all-white foreigners in the same matter the Chinese used to just a few years back(sucking up to them, but to a far more blatant degree), the difference, of course, being that the US isn't assassinating Iran's official, enacting sanctions and constantly threatening war.

You can obviously tell that many Iranian have zero support for the current Islamic State and will actively side with just about everyone that isn't the current government, but I also don't doubt that the IR still have a considerable number of conservative rural supporters that aren't as visible due to....well, living in relatively sparsely populated areas and unable to organise in large numbers.

All the signs are there, huge, flashing and impossible to miss.
 

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