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KYli said:

Isn't that obvious. Both sides just don't want things to spiral out of control.

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It's not obvious to me. Seems to me things are spiraling out of control.

LOL!

It has nothing to do with third parties, except the Russian war.

It has everything to do with United States versus China.

With United States versus China, it is all about economy, technology, and Taiwan.

The United States has been unable to stop itself from provoking China on all three, for the past few years, and the frequency has increased lately.

So I think, thing will deteriorate some more, before someone in the United States gets a grip on themselves.

ansy1968 said:

The military will follow what the civilian authority order them to do, this was exemplify under Duterte administration, in a way he save the oligarchy class because the Philippine is ripe for a violent revolution. He had tempered their greed and there is NO coup as the military who wished for a strong leadership had found one under him. So he is our ideal leader BUT unfortunately he is too old and six years is not enough to implement all of his reform especially with the pandemic.

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I hope you're right, but I don't fully trust your country's military, it's leadership who's tradition and culture is steeped under the American influence from the word go. The Philippine Military Academy (PMA) the premiere school and only school for any would be officers in the Philippine Military and if am not mistaken the Philippine National Police (PNP) itself was patterned after America's own United States Military Academy at West Point (USMA). Where every promising leader(s) are sent in the U.S. where they are further groomed and marked for advancements among other things that essentially advances American interests intertwined with Philippine interest. The hazing which the PMA is infamous for is again patterned after West Point. The political class of that country, most of which are overwhelmingly "lawyers" are educated under the American style and system and you know this better than I am.

Most of the country's leadership from the political, academic, business, opposition party or not have a foot in America, knows a family member in America, have someone that is an American citizen etc...so it's virtually impossible for the Philippines not to be enamored with all things America.

The only way for the Philippines to have it's come to jesus moment is if it witnessed American military might collapses violently against Chinese PLA might. Let's be honest with ourselves, the PLA is not feared in your country, you can see this by how dismissive the chattering political/media class in your country. I watched Philippine news here and there in both languages (Tagalog, English, Cebuano/bisaya) to gauge your country's sense of direction as well as various social media sites like Twitter, and Facebook (Meta) where the penetration of that app in the Philippines is like 98 percent if am not mistaken. Any news that is negative towards China no matter how infantile and clearly fake news are littered with Filipinos believing the worst and not even asking any critical questions or looking for other sources that could easily dispel the garbage they're seeing. On another hand, any news that pertains to America can quickly gather positive news, likes, comments. The ratio clearly favours American image and for understandable for historical reason.


I love the Philippines, but majority of the people there are deeply entrenched with American prism or anything that is white/western, Japanese, S.Korean are seen in a very positive light. Chinese from China not so much and that's the honest truth at least based on my experience from interacting with Filipinos here in Canada, my visits in the Philippines from Manila to Cebu as well as the opinions of my classmates that are now in other countries like Australia, U.S. and most that are in the Philippines.

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9dashline said:

I don't wanna hear from him or horse how this is not a big deal

War is coming folks. max out them cards now

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There are two things here comrade.

What we are talking about regarding the Philippines, I sincerely doubt that is much of anything. They're still outgunned. Increased US access to those Philippines bases improves the diplomatic situation for US-Filipino relations. Does it change the military situation? My answer is a flat out no. That is one issue.

It is the general US-China relations that is going down fast. That is the real issue.

Right on cue, the Chinese come forth with some propaganda.



Contrast that with what the Americans were boasting about earlier this same week.



That is why personally I can see things getting a lot worst, but at the same time have a really detached and blasé attitude about it.

First of all, this is not the first time China would be in a military confrontation with the Americans which could be a war. Second of all, this time China has better weapons.

Everyone wants to see that hypersonic missile in actual combat. That would be a sight to see.

If the Americans want some of that, Chinese got to oblige.

That is the way it is going to go until the Americans get a grip on themselves.

The non-stop provocations on core issues, aka Chinese interests, which should be economy, trade, technology, and Taiwan, the Americans cannot help themselves, and try to provoke China. The reasons for this unhinged strategy, could be nothing more than simple desperation.

The Philippines, that is not a core issue for China! The other issues are, but not some agreement like this.

Seems to me, that is just propaganda. The Americans trying to uphold a world order that is slipping away.

Will the Americans actually have the guts to start a real war head to head with China to prevent a new world order from emerging?

I would think yes, but they would have to fight it.

That is the problem, or one of the problems, the Americans want this war, but they don't want to fight it. It is the Vietnam War all over again. The Ukraine war is prefect for them. As long as it wins. Ha!

Bellum_Romanum said:

I hope you're right, but I don't fully trust your country's military, it's leadership who's tradition and culture is steeped under the American influence from the word go. The Philippine Military Academy (PMA) the premiere school and only school for any would be officers in the Philippine Military and if am not mistaken the Philippine National Police (PNP) itself was patterned after America's own United States Military Academy at West Point (USMA). Where every promising leader(s) are sent in the U.S. where they are further groomed and marked for advancements among other things that essentially advances American interests intertwined with Philippine interest. The hazing which the PMA is infamous for is again patterned after West Point. The political class of that country, most of which are overwhelmingly "lawyers" are educated under the American style and system and you know this better than I am.

Most of the country's leadership from the political, academic, business, opposition party or not have a foot in America, knows a family member in America, have someone that is an American citizen etc...so it's virtually impossible for the Philippines not to be enamored with all things America.

The only way for the Philippines to have it's come to jesus moment is if it witnessed American military might collapses violently against Chinese PLA might. Let's be honest with ourselves, the PLA is not feared in your country, you can see this by how dismissive the chattering political/media class in your country. I watched Philippine news here and there in both languages (Tagalog, English, Cebuano/bisaya) to gauge your country's sense of direction as well as various social media sites like Twitter, and Facebook (Meta) where the penetration of that app in the Philippines is like 98 percent if am not mistaken. Any news that is negative towards China no matter how infantile and clearly fake news are littered with Filipinos believing the worst and not even asking any critical questions or looking for other sources that could easily dispel the garbage they're seeing. On another hand, any news that pertains to America can quickly gather positive news, likes, comments. The ratio clearly favours American image and for understandable for historical reason.


I love the Philippines, but majority of the people there are deeply entrenched with American prism or anything that is white/western, Japanese, S.Korean are seen in a very positive light. Chinese from China not so much and that's the honest truth at least based on my experience from interacting with Filipinos here in Canada, my visits in the Philippines from Manila to Cebu as well as the opinions of my classmates that are now in other countries like Australia, U.S. and most that are in the Philippines.

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Well you're right about America influence BUT the military is task to defend the country from foreign and local threats, so they're nationalist to the core, the problem is the oligarch are expert in playing this game because to increase social mobility these retired or active military officer need to play politics. You see a lot of ex military officer serving in gov't and hold public office, who finance them? Here you can see the invisible hand of the US and the oligarch is crucial in pinpointing who to support.

It's easier to imagine a war that's far away from our countries shore, and countries like Canada and especially the U.S. is especially guilty on it's warlike, wanton desire to solve every problem it faces with kinetic solutions. How does a country like the U.S. with an almost unlimited amount of desire to wage war be curtailed? What would it take for it's people and leadership collectively to be reflective, circumspect of the many terrible things it caused and is doing against China?

Germany and the German people based on this short report from Al Jazeera seems have become increasingly weary of what's being imposed on them by America=NATO. The people knows their bitter history, and the unfortunate history and actions of their country's past in WWII not just against the Jews but more acutely against the Russian people and the country so they have an intimate understanding of the trauma war causes that lingers a lifetime of regret and shame. How about America?

Helius said:

Yeah, Maoist ideology. It stopped supporting those movements since the 1970s however.

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@Bellum_Romanum

Thanks. So, in other words, there's no active effort in the past 50 years by China to counter American/Western imperialist brainwashing in the Philippines. Meanwhile, many people here complain how it's "impossible" to unbrainwash the Philippines despite NOT trying for the past 50 years. And their solution is usually some extreme form of hard power like a war.

Reading these posts about foreign nations brainwashed with anti China lies is like watching someone walk up to a closed door and conclude only tnt can open the door. Have you tried turning the knob?

Bellum_Romanum said:

It's easier to imagine a war that's far away from our countries shore, and countries like Canada and especially the U.S. is especially guilty on it's warlike, wanton desire to solve every problem it faces with kinetic solutions. How does a country like the U.S. with an almost unlimited amount of desire to wage war be curtailed? What would it take for it's people and leadership collectively to be reflective, circumspect of the many terrible things it caused and is doing against China?

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It is very strange what the Americans are doing.

Now with this United States and Philippines deal, the Americans can boast about more military capabilities (if that is actually true, but that is mostly a secret).

China goes ahead, makes more investments into Filipino infrastructure, industry.

One side is angling for war. The other side is angling for more growth.

War or peace? War or peace? War or peace?

We are kind of looking directly at that.

What kind of game are they playing? So strange.

Sure, there is a dispute in the South China Sea, and over fish. How much is that fish worth?

Seems to me that the Western media is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Western media is not the truth. Truth comes out later.



Note that, and we should not kid ourselves, what has made the Americans so alarmed about increasing Chinese influence, in ASEAN, and around the world.

Deepen economic ties, Chinese technology going into those developing countries.

How does this United States base deal with Mr.Bong, stop any of that?

The same things that the Americans are so worried about?

Guess they got what they wants!

jwnz said:

I believe China doesn't trust NK deep down, and vice versa. I remember reading that Kim's grandpa told Kim's dad not to trust the CPC on his deathbed.

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Has nothing to do with that or any ridiculous anecdotes that sound like CIA fanfiction.

If there was even a bit of distrust there would be no way NK would be allowed to have nukes.

NK and China have a warlord and ruler relationship. NK acts a shield in Asia and in return, they get what they ask for to maintain it but also the right to do what they want politically.

To demand reforms from NK would be violating that type of implicit contract.

NK has some 900k troops, China would not be able to draw on this level of mobilisation from any other nation of that size.

In this era where China has likely escalatory dominance, NK no longer fulfils its main role, but in the past, NK was likely vital in acting as China's mobilisation, without actually having China be mobilised at all times.

Besides MAD, one other major reason why US never attempted to invade China during the 90s and early 00s despite having much better chances than today (when they're truly desparate) is likely that NK would spill over into SK, meaning that even if US could pull off a Taiwan invasion due to naval supremacy, they might be trading SK for it, because there's no way to stop a huge KPA and an advanced PLA bearing down at the same time.

At some point, NK will probably get new weapons, but as seen in the Ukraine war, you don't need that many flashy toys to be effective. Just having many men and ability to pack them into jihadmobiles has its own quality.

Maikeru said:

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With what money? I read @Lethe recommended article, a London Book review over 9000 words essay talking about the British Military essentially expressing that it's bark is worse than it's bite. They fought a war in Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Afghanistan in both instances ended up in FAILURE but was dressed up as victory by then U.K. P.M. David Cameron in 2013-2014 when they decided to pull out of Afghanistan. There were no accountability from the generals that lead that war, to the Defense ministers made up political class that never paid any price for their failures. Inadequate weapon systems, lack of men/troops and mostly relied to their master, the U.S. on just about everything.

So, I question how and what would be the British Military's contribution when the war against a more competent and determined enemy in China commence? Would the British people be okay with getting called up to the serve on the meat grinder to serve the purpose of eliminating the autocratic rule of the evil commies i.e. the See See Pee?

I am sorry but behind all these mumbo jumbo strategies that a lot of western countries from it's civilian to military leadership and people are a joke. I don't see the majority of these people willing to sacrifice for the cause, system they firmly believe in and insist country like China must adapt or else. The lessons learned from the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria have never been learned because the British is high on American hopium.

The war with China would wake the f...p of the west and it's insidious arrogance.