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texx1

Junior Member
You must have the Chinese government confused with a Western liberal government.

Whatever privileges Muslims enjoy in China is granted to them by the CCP. Those privileges can be rescinded at any time when circumstances change. Recall the 2017 policy change that removed the preferential treatment for minorities on family planning policies.

When it comes to minority policies, Chinese government is far more liberal than even the most liberal western government. Single child policy was never enforced on Chinese ethnic minorities. Even now, the family planning policy for han is two children limit. There is no limit for minorities. Let's not even begin to discuss preferential treatments minorities enjoyed in education, food subsidies, lighter criminal sentences, exclusive public jobs positions in autonomous regions.

These privileges are a constant and visible source of unfairness which could very well be exploited by external forces. At least, it would make it much harder for CCP to unite all of its own people. Why do you think the west always hammer China on muslim human rights? They are making it much unlikely for the Chinese government to rescind or scale back these privileges. When someone enjoys certain privileges for long enough, it unconsciously considers them to be rights. They will grumble and resist when those so-called rights were taken away. And the western media would be right there to report it.
 

j17wang

Senior Member
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I disagree. I think this is everything to cheer about. It is simply that China is worst in PR stunt.

In arab world you have KSA, Iran, in Europe it is turkey, in east it is Pakistan. China has 3 of them as their ally.
I don't think this situation has any resemblance of Xinjiang. Because China has no history of what France did.
Another thing, France economy is nothing compared to Chinese economic influence. If there was anything to happen, it would have happened already. I don't think any country is interested in what's going on inside China. You need to stop watching US in every country. :D

If anything, i see a good opportunity to weaponize this situation against Europe & push them to the brink. But of course that won't happen because China is worse than uganda when it comes to PR stunt :rolleyes:

I dont agree with everything you said above, but I fully agree that "China is worse than uganda when it comes to PR stunt" Russia puts china to shame.
 

Nobonita Barua

Senior Member
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"while President Emmanuel Macron vowed the country would never give in to Islamic radicals."

Yaa, but he should give his country to those who have been looted by his predecessors.

Also, he won't give in to islamic radicals, but sends his jokers in uniform to other countries & expect others to respect freedom radicalism, Lol.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Europe is the pinnacle of Western luxury products. First Chinese are losing their taste for Western luxury goods because of Trump's trade war and now an Arab world boycott because someone went out of their way to directly insult Islam, two very large luxury markets for Europe. A glimpse into the future of their nightmare scenario. Just imagine if it was a joint effort. That's why they don't want something like One Belt One Road to succeed. It's not because China wants to control other countries like they charge. It's all about other countries ganging up on them like they do to others. They're use to other countries surrendering to their demands... not the other way around. Just imagine the world ganging up and throwing sanctions on them when they militarily strike another country unilaterally.
 

localizer

Colonel
Registered Member
Europe is the pinnacle of Western luxury products. First Chinese are losing their taste for Western luxury goods because of Trump's trade war and now an Arab world boycott because someone went out of their way to directly insult Islam, two very large luxury markets for Europe. A glimpse into the future of their nightmare scenario. Just imagine if it was a joint effort. That's why they don't want something like One Belt One Road to succeed. It's not because China wants to control other countries like they charge. It's all about other countries ganging up on them like they do to others. They're use to other countries surrendering to their demands... not the other way around. Just imagine the world ganging up and throwing sanctions on them when they militarily strike another country unilaterally.

Idk man, the white worship might be too strong.

I think if anything, the people that matter know it is imperative that China and Western markets continue to flow freely.
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
I'm not a fan of sanction, BUT if you cross the line especially concerning a CORE issue like sovereignty, I'm for it. One big target is BOEING, now this one will hurt big time.....

And look at her statement, pure hypocrite!!!!, we have the right to impose sanction, you're not.... :mad:

US State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus condemned China's threat of sanctions Monday night, saying that they were "unproductive."
"We deplore Beijing's efforts to retaliate against US and foreign companies for their sales that support Taiwan's legitimate self-defense requirements, the necessity of which has been made abundantly clear through increasingly hostile incursions by [China's air force]," she said.



Hong Kong (CNN Business)Beijing said Monday that it will impose sanctions on American companies — including Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Raytheon — that have been involved in
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Speaking at a press conference Monday, Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Zhao Lijian called on the United States to stop selling arms to the self-governed island and to cut military ties with the government in Taipei.
The sanctions are just the latest escalation in growing tensions between the United States and China over Taiwan. Even though the island has never been controlled by China's ruling Communist Party, Beijing insists it is an integral part of its territory and has threatened
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"We will continue to take necessary measures to safeguard national sovereignty and security interests," Zhao said. He reiterated that US arms sales to Taiwan "seriously violate" the one-China principle and harms China's security interests.
The exact details of the sanctions have yet to be announced, but Zhao said they will apply to "relevant US individuals and entities that played a negative role in the arms sales."
Zhao specifically mentioned that the sanctions would affect major US companies such as Lockheed Martin (
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US State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus condemned China's threat of sanctions Monday night, saying that they were "unproductive."
"We deplore Beijing's efforts to retaliate against US and foreign companies for their sales that support Taiwan's legitimate self-defense requirements, the necessity of which has been made abundantly clear through increasingly hostile incursions by [China's air force]," she said.
Boeing said the issue was one for governments to resolve.
"The US government decides on which defense systems to provide Taiwan and then makes the arrangements with the Department of Defense for the provision of such equipment," a Boeing spokesperson told CNN Business. "Foreign military sales to any country or entity is a direct contractual obligation between the purchaser and the US government/Department of Defense."
Lockheed Martin similarly said that foreign military sales are "government-to-government transactions" and emphasized that it works closely with US leadership.
"Lockheed Martin adheres to United States government policy with regard to conducting business with foreign governments," a spokesperson said. "We do business with more than 70 nations around the world, and all of our international sales are strictly regulated by the US government."
Raytheon did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
In the past year, the Trump administration has moved to strengthen ties with Taipei, including increasing arms sales and facilitating
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between US and Taiwan officials.
Last week the United States formally notified Congress of the proposed sale of three advanced weapons systems to Taiwan,
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. Just hours after Beijing threatened sanctions, the Trump administration notified Congress that it had approved a proposal for a $2.37 billion arms sale to Taiwan, which consisted of "one hundred Harpoon Coastal Defense Systems."
— CNN's Beijing bureau, Ryan Browne and Chris Liakos contributed to this report.
 

solarz

Brigadier
When it comes to minority policies, Chinese government is far more liberal than even the most liberal western government. Single child policy was never enforced on Chinese ethnic minorities. Even now, the family planning policy for han is two children limit. There is no limit for minorities. Let's not even begin to discuss preferential treatments minorities enjoyed in education, food subsidies, lighter criminal sentences, exclusive public jobs positions in autonomous regions.

These privileges are a constant and visible source of unfairness which could very well be exploited by external forces. At least, it would make it much harder for CCP to unite all of its own people. Why do you think the west always hammer China on muslim human rights? They are making it much unlikely for the Chinese government to rescind or scale back these privileges. When someone enjoys certain privileges for long enough, it unconsciously considers them to be rights. They will grumble and resist when those so-called rights were taken away. And the western media would be right there to report it.

Nope, ethnic minorities are also subject to family planning policies. Though specific details differ, most ethnic minorities can only have two children, the same as Han families. Some exceptions are given to sparsely populated regions.

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This is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to get about the Chinese government. They *will* change policies according to circumstances. Privileges enjoyed by minorities are there for a reason, and when that reason no longer exist, then those special privileges will be either withdrawn, or made into general policy. The CCP has NEVER, and WILL NEVER, base any of its policies on the foreign optics.

China doesn't do PR stunts. Take a look at the CGTN channel on Youtube. You will find documentaries and commentaries, but you will NOT find sensationalism. Twenty years ago, before the advent of social media, Western media also used to prize serious journalism and left the sensationalist stuff to the tabloids. Just because Western media has degenerated into a cesspool of clickbait headlines doesn't mean Chinese media needs to follow suit.
 

texx1

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Nope, ethnic minorities are also subject to family planning policies. Though specific details differ, most ethnic minorities can only have two children, the same as Han families. Some exceptions are given to sparsely populated regions.

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Family planning enforcement has always come under the purview of local governments. But minority run autonomous region governments have seldom put effort into strict enforcement of their own people. They want more privileges more people usually means more leverages to negotiate. Even provincial governments in coastal regions didn't not strictly enforce family planning for minorities for fear of damaging the unity of all Chinese ethnicity (民族大团结). Not to damage the unity of all Chinese ethnicity has already become one of the political correctness in china. Just like the lighter sentences for minority (两少一宽) is "technically" no longer in effect, but it hasn't been removed and still factor into sentencing.

This is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to get about the Chinese government. They *will* change policies according to circumstances. Privileges enjoyed by minorities are there for a reason, and when that reason no longer exist, then those special privileges will be either withdrawn, or made into general policy. The CCP has NEVER, and WILL NEVER, base any of its policies on the foreign optics.

CCP does care about foreign optics and have taken them into consideration. During height of covid-19, the protest of several African governments ended the strict identification of illegal migrants in Guangzhou. Many were treated to 4 star hotels free of charge. The story of a covid positive African biting a nurse in quarantine was also downplayed in the media. Even now there hasn't been any reporting of its aftermath whether he suffered any legal repercussion. This event unfortunately has become a meme on weibo about governmental weakness.

China doesn't do PR stunts. Take a look at the CGTN channel on Youtube. You will find documentaries and commentaries, but you will NOT find sensationalism. Twenty years ago, before the advent of social media, Western media also used to prize serious journalism and left the sensationalist stuff to the tabloids. Just because Western media has degenerated into a cesspool of clickbait headlines doesn't mean Chinese media needs to follow suit.

With the social media being so prevalent in today's world, sensationalism is what drives views and clicks. You couldn't reach people when they aren't even interested to read your articles. As such how do you expect to change their views? Besides how many people are educated enough to recognize or have enough patience to sift through sensationalism? China likes to take the high road when comes to media and foreign policy. As a weaker party, it just creates more unnecessary difficulty for itself. It is only worth in the end if China wins. Otherwise it's a stupid self inflicted own goal.
 
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