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'It's already having a massive effect,' corporate America demands Trump rescind executive order on diversity
Jessica Guynn, USA TODAY, October 12, 2020

Michelle Kim received an email last week from a corporate client who asked her to make sure her anti-racism talk would comply with the White House’s new executive order prohibiting the use of terms such as “white privilege.” She offered to cancel the agreement instead.

President Donald Trump’s decision to restrict the federal government and its contractors from engaging in what he calls “divisive” and “un-American” diversity training is sending a chilling effect throughout corporate America just as companies were stepping up efforts to address racial disparities following the death of George Floyd, a Black man, under the knee of white officer in Minneapolis in May.

A White House memo in late September suggested rooting out “ideologies that label entire groups of Americans as inherently racist or evil” in diversity training materials by searching for keywords such as “white privilege,” “systemic racism,” “intersectionality” and “unconscious bias.”

“The goal is clear: to limit companies from training on a wide range of well-researched themes in the diversity, equity, and inclusion space.”

Asked about his executive order during the first presidential debate, Trump said: “They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place, it’s a racist place. And they were teaching people to hate our country. And I’m not gonna allow that to happen.

Corporations could face “extraordinarily harsh” penalties, Turner said. If found in violation, they could have their contracts suspended or terminated and could be “declared ineligible” for future contracts, according to the guidance.

"The message is 'watch out,'" Turner said. “Contractors don’t take those threats lightly. They could potentially put an end to their business.”
 

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'It's already having a massive effect,' corporate America demands Trump rescind executive order on diversity
Jessica Guynn, USA TODAY, October 12, 2020

Michelle Kim received an email last week from a corporate client who asked her to make sure her anti-racism talk would comply with the White House’s new executive order prohibiting the use of terms such as “white privilege.” She offered to cancel the agreement instead.

President Donald Trump’s decision to restrict the federal government and its contractors from engaging in what he calls “divisive” and “un-American” diversity training is sending a chilling effect throughout corporate America just as companies were stepping up efforts to address racial disparities following the death of George Floyd, a Black man, under the knee of white officer in Minneapolis in May.

A White House memo in late September suggested rooting out “ideologies that label entire groups of Americans as inherently racist or evil” in diversity training materials by searching for keywords such as “white privilege,” “systemic racism,” “intersectionality” and “unconscious bias.”

“The goal is clear: to limit companies from training on a wide range of well-researched themes in the diversity, equity, and inclusion space.”

Asked about his executive order during the first presidential debate, Trump said: “They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place, it’s a racist place. And they were teaching people to hate our country. And I’m not gonna allow that to happen.

Corporations could face “extraordinarily harsh” penalties, Turner said. If found in violation, they could have their contracts suspended or terminated and could be “declared ineligible” for future contracts, according to the guidance.

"The message is 'watch out,'" Turner said. “Contractors don’t take those threats lightly. They could potentially put an end to their business.”

And they dare lecture China on censorship.
 

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China isn’t as oppressive as the west in demanding everyone conform to its rules and norms in order to benefit from its custom. That is how many western leaning countries have managed to have China as their biggest trading partner while looking to America for their ideological and security.

It seems countries like Australia has taken Chinese generosity as a right, and think they can actively undermine Chinese interests while not suffering any consequences.

This is just China sending a proverbial warning shot across Australia’s bow.

If Australia doesn’t learn its lesson, then when China decide to really hurt Australia, it will be truly devastating.

Personally I think that rabidly racist country is massively overdue a dose of reality.

@hullopilllw

I still don't get where and how the OZ's stance towards China help them In the short term, medium term or long term. It just doesn't make any sense for them to behave like this.

Oz is in for a lot of pain because of their racist foreign policy.
 

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I wonder if something like this could count as news that is breaking given that this could have some scary implications
 

j17wang

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Hi TrinketFool6,

By 2050 I could see China claiming down south for itself

If that is China intention, we could have colonize the whole South East Asia and even Korea long ago.

long term Indonesia isnt a match,

Long term, Indonesia had the potential to be a regional power, it had an educated and large population and had untapped resources in Borneo and in Western New Guinea region. Look at the map Indonesia is a few miles away from Australia, if war do happen it had multiple landing points to consider and a broad front for Australia to defend.

And Indonesia do had an axe to grind against Australia for the East Timor incident and they know Australia is planning a new one in its New Guinea region, just like what they did in PNG. Right now Australia want to be the bigger version of Israel, surrounded by uncouth savage country and needed to be tamed and Christianized. and their target isn't China but the Asean region especially Indonesia.

It is absolutely important that China builds excellent relation with Indonesia, which may include clarifying in no-uncertain terms that we have no claims to Natuna, whatever the stupid rumors may be. Indonesia does not compete with China in the value chain, and offers a large and attractive market to sell products. And yes, China should absolutely support Indonesia, especially as they will come into conflict with Australia.

If China can make Indonesia an ally on the level of Pakistan, it will have secured all its interest in south east asia, and guarantee supply lines into Europe and middle east. I actually strongly suggest most people try to overlay Indonesia on top of the US, you will see that the archipelago is actually much wider than the continental united states. Make no mistake, good relations with Indonesia is worth more than good relations with Vietnam, Philippines, and Malaysia combined (not that they are not important as well).
 

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It is absolutely important that China builds excellent relation with Indonesia, which may include clarifying in no-uncertain terms that we have no claims to Natuna, whatever the stupid rumors may be. Indonesia does not compete with China in the value chain, and offers a large and attractive market to sell products. And yes, China should absolutely support Indonesia, especially as they will come into conflict with Australia.

If China can make Indonesia an ally on the level of Pakistan, it will have secured all its interest in south east asia, and guarantee supply lines into Europe and middle east. I actually strongly suggest most people try to overlay Indonesia on top of the US, you will see that the archipelago is actually much wider than the continental united states. Make no mistake, good relations with Indonesia is worth more than good relations with Vietnam, Philippines, and Malaysia combined (not that they are not important as well).
Hi j17wang,

If China can make Indonesia an ally on the level of Pakistan,

Unfortunately it won't happen, usually Overseas Chinese diaspora are the one that bridge the divide
and exert major influence but Indonesia had a historical baggage regarding their Chinese minority and had erase any Chinese influence and its cultural identity.
 

j17wang

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Hi j17wang,

If China can make Indonesia an ally on the level of Pakistan,

Unfortunately it won't happen, usually Overseas Chinese diaspora are the one that bridge the divide
and exert major influence but Indonesia had a historical baggage regarding their Chinese minority and had erase any Chinese influence and its cultural identity.

I wouldn't be so sure. Just remember, Pakistan has zero historical cultural identity or shared culture, but both countries have a genuine alliance which frankly, still even confounds me. What is required for an alliance is shared interests, and I think China can certainly help.

Remember that Indonesia is a costal nation, which means it will be disproportionately affected by climate change. One of the few accomplishments of China in the past few years from a soft-power perspective is that it has essentially convinced the world that it cares seriously about the environment. Thats why you don't really see much criticism of china even in western media about pollution as much as you saw maybe 5 years ago. China is in a position to help build out windfarms, electric vehicles, fusion reactors, and the such to uplift Indonesias infrastructure.

From the European lens as well, you will also see that while hostility towards china has increased, it still way less than its hostility towards middle east, turkey, saudi arabia, russia who are seen as backwards and uncivilized in thier adherence to carbon based resources. If you think about western perceptions, environmental concerns have increased dramatically, and are even starting to be considered more important than "democracy". From the environmental standpoint, just go to any electric vehicle blog and you see the europeans are essentially working with chinese, having given up on the americans when it comes to renewables.

Depending on if Biden can push forward with the green new deal, china may be able to take a huge moral victory from the americans in becoming a leader in the green movement. This would win it huge influence and respect within Europe and countries affected by global warming.
 

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hi "j17wang,

I wouldn't be so sure. Just remember, Pakistan has zero historical cultural identity or shared culture, but both countries have a genuine alliance which frankly, still even confounds me. What is required for an alliance is shared interests, and I think China can certainly help.

They had during the Sukarno era and it backfire badly for China and especially The Indonesian Chinese who bear the brunt of the violence.
In the future "IF " their interest coincide, it may happen, especially if China influence become bigger economically than the US.
 
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