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emblem21

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No no no. You're the only one here who really cares whether Joe or Donald wins, LOL.
They are both equally screw no matter who wins since neither has a solution for any of the mess that is currently there right now except print more money and piss off China as though there will be no consequences involved
 

localizer

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Overall not much attention paid to this, but they do like to mention that it was going from China to Brazil.

Imagine if this was a Chinese owned/operated ship. The endless China bashing would go on for months.

But since it's Japanese responsibility, people aren't saying shit.


Regarding the iranian tankers:
According to The Associated Press, quoting unnamed U.S. officials, no military force was used in the seizure of the cargo, and none of the ships was physically impounded. Instead, U.S. officials threatened ship owners, insurers and captains with sanctions to force them to hand over their cargo, the AP reported.
In a statement Friday, State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus described the cargo as gasoline and said if the forfeiture is successful in U.S. courts, the proceeds could "support the U.S. Victims of State Sponsored Terrorism Fund instead of those engaging in terrorism, like the [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps]."

China should also setup a Victims of State Sponsored Terrorism Fund for Hongkongers and fund it with US assets.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
No no no. You're the only one here who really cares whether Joe or Donald wins, LOL.
considering the number of times the Name Trump is used in this thread I think your assessment is erroneous. Besides I don’t live in the PRC. Few if any of our members do.
They are both equally screw no matter who wins since neither has a solution for any of the mess that is currently there right now except print more money and piss off China as though there will be no consequences involved
well considering that that’s just about the same globally including for the CCP.

You make it sound like a one sided affair. Trade issues and IP issues go back decades now. This didn’t all happen between May and now heck it didn’t all start in the Trump Administration or Obama these disputes are almost 30 years of back and forth repeated case for case. This isn’t trying to piss China off this is the consequences of trying to cut deals and work it out yet always coming back to square one when the next incident happens.
What is the consequences that come next? Closing more Embassies? Seizing US funds?
The Embassies hurt the PRC just as much as the US. Perhaps even more so as US embassies often hire locals as junior staff. Making them easy targets for intelligence gathering.
Seize US Funds and property? the US Recipricates. US debt? China owns 1.1 Trillion the US owns about the same in old bonds from China. If China claims default and seizes US assets the US can do the same.
Take a Hostages? Happened already in a number of cases. Right now of course with no foreign travel that cuts the options low for black bagging important US business people. If they did grab some abroad it wouldn’t exactly make the. Look like knights in shining armor.
Embargo rare earths? Other sources will appear might hurt short term but yet historically that’s what happened. Greedy capitalists around the world will realize there is a client who needs and is willing to pay they will find new sources and supply or develop new technologies that get around the problem by reducing dependence on that resource yet get greater than or equal to performance. Push to dedollarize? The CCP has been trying to do that for decades. There are rivals like the Euro, Yen and Pound, It the Yuan isn’t there.

Close American plants? They are already closed and looking to relocate.
Trade war? Just had that and it didn’t hurt either side as much as they claim it did the other guy.
Oh the US is having a hard time right now but other than Claimed Chinese numbers which are disputed in the best of times who isn’t? Even then the source Claimed US numbers that are disputed here in the best of times. Especially right now might not be a good time for a China,
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? That’s not a good sign for a strong position to take more set backs. I doubt any Revolution. The PLA is the Parties Military arm they won’t turn on the party. Yet at the same time don’t need a revolution to see a nation suffer and faulter. Food security is a critical factor in the security of a State. It shouldn’t be dismissed.
 

emblem21

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considering the number of times the Name Trump is used in this thread I think your assessment is erroneous. Besides I don’t live in the PRC. Few if any of our members do.

well considering that that’s just about the same globally including for the CCP.

You make it sound like a one sided affair. Trade issues and IP issues go back decades now. This didn’t all happen between May and now heck it didn’t all start in the Trump Administration or Obama these disputes are almost 30 years of back and forth repeated case for case. This isn’t trying to piss China off this is the consequences of trying to cut deals and work it out yet always coming back to square one when the next incident happens.
What is the consequences that come next? Closing more Embassies? Seizing US funds?
The Embassies hurt the PRC just as much as the US. Perhaps even more so as US embassies often hire locals as junior staff. Making them easy targets for intelligence gathering.
Seize US Funds and property? the US Recipricates. US debt? China owns 1.1 Trillion the US owns about the same in old bonds from China. If China claims default and seizes US assets the US can do the same.
Take a Hostages? Happened already in a number of cases. Right now of course with no foreign travel that cuts the options low for black bagging important US business people. If they did grab some abroad it wouldn’t exactly make the. Look like knights in shining armor.
Embargo rare earths? Other sources will appear might hurt short term but yet historically that’s what happened. Greedy capitalists around the world will realize there is a client who needs and is willing to pay they will find new sources and supply or develop new technologies that get around the problem by reducing dependence on that resource yet get greater than or equal to performance. Push to dedollarize? The CCP has been trying to do that for decades. There are rivals like the Euro, Yen and Pound, It the Yuan isn’t there.

Close American plants? They are already closed and looking to relocate.
Trade war? Just had that and it didn’t hurt either side as much as they claim it did the other guy.
Oh the US is having a hard time right now but other than Claimed Chinese numbers which are disputed in the best of times who isn’t? Even then the source Claimed US numbers that are disputed here in the best of times. Especially right now might not be a good time for a China,
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? That’s not a good sign for a strong position to take more set backs. I doubt any Revolution. The PLA is the Parties Military arm they won’t turn on the party. Yet at the same time don’t need a revolution to see a nation suffer and faulter. Food security is a critical factor in the security of a State. It shouldn’t be dismissed.

Yet only one particular side is actually trying to address these concerns as opposed to letting the situation get completely out of hand. Whether China acts or not makes no difference as to how badly the US is deteriorating as the amount of bankruptcies climb and unemployment numbers go up. True that China may have a similar situation with the flooding and difficulties occurring right now but with the government at least is doing something is certainly better then nothing or worse denying that such a crisis has occurred (also to note that flooding isn't something new in the southern part of China as I have family there informing me of the matter). Within months, should the USA not get a handle on this pandemic or exploding unemployment that is within the ball park of 50 million and rising. Doesn't matter if China's dollar becomes the worlds reserve currency or not, but the point is that if the US doesn't lose the world reserve currency status, there goes the ability to sanction or economically harm other countries without abandon anymore and with so many without work or any way of providing food for families, the regardless of if Trump or Biden take office, they will be in a situation that no person would want to be in, trying to sort out the mess that is a USA that has literally being pushed into third world status with lots and lots of angry people with limited guns and armed to the teeth demanding answers and aid.
 

Gatekeeper

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On the other hand, the U.S.' influence in the world is diminishing by the day.

U.S. failed to extend arms embargo against Iran in the U.N.

Austria, which Trump confused with Australia, expressed its discontent against U.S.' meddling in foreign affairs.

Oh yes, our friend, we lie, we cheat, we steal Pompeo is over at Europe bullying every little states in joining the USA to gang up on china. And it is meeting with unexpected fierce defiant from theses small states!

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ansy1968

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Hi TerraN_EmpirE, Gatekeeper and emblem21,

The sad reality is that, because of this tension (dont want to dwell on politics) people (govt) from the developing countries is also force to choose side that is detrimental for their development. If given a choice ,For me and the future of my children, A rich China and a benign US is all we wanted.
 

Gatekeeper

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Seize US Funds and property? the US Recipricates. US debt? China owns 1.1 Trillion the US owns about the same in old bonds from China. If China claims default and seizes US assets the US can do the same.

Well apart from the obvious issues with law and the legal ownership of these 'Chinese' debt. Perhaps the USA should pursue this with ROC as the USA still recognised ROC as shown by the recent visit to ROC by the secretary of health!

All these time members here have been arguing against China's claim of the SCS as invalid based on the law of succession, yet when it comes to debts, well that's different! Gee.

And since you must have read either my post or through the media about McSally and blackburn's current actions. You would know about the US $1.6 T claim. I reproduce the photo here:

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But what you don't understand is:

There's a major differences to the debts 'China owes' and the debts China owns!

1st. The China debts are in the hands of individuals and not the government's. It is down to individuals to make law suits against whoever they think it's responsible for these debts and not the government.

And just like Trump who went bankrupt many times, the creditors cannot pursue it any further with Trump even though he's clearly alive and kicking.

The figures of US $1.6 T is a vastly exaggerated estimate, as it includes all interest and cost of these debts over 80 years periods. It also conviently not mentioned the debts were defaulted in 1938! The ROC government was still in existence till 1949 IN THE MAINLAND. So why didn't claimants pursue their claims then? Let alone the USA still recognised ROC as the legitimate government of China till the 1970s!

Now on the other hand, the debt China owns are nearly all owned by the Chinese government, and not individuals. Furthermore this debts can EASILY be traded on the stock exchanges as they do not have the owners name on it.

So unless the USA decided to default ALL USA debts, your suggested threats of USA retaliation is a very mute point!
 

emblem21

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Hi TerraN_EmpirE, Gatekeeper and emblem21,

The sad reality is that, because of this tension (dont want to dwell on politics) people (govt) from the developing countries is also force to choose side that is detrimental for their development. If given a choice ,For me and the future of my children, A rich China and a benign US is all we wanted.
Yes, it would be preferable if the world is that of a more peaceful one with a well off China and a USA that didn’t go around bombing other countries for not bending the knee. But given the actions of the USA (yes it is true that China isn’t totally innocent but in comparison to the USA, they certainly are), karma is on its way. We can only hope that the future generations in the USA doesn’t try fight anymore pointless wars
 

Gatekeeper

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Hi TerraN_EmpirE, Gatekeeper and emblem21,

The sad reality is that, because of this tension (dont want to dwell on politics) people (govt) from the developing countries is also force to choose side that is detrimental for their development. If given a choice ,For me and the future of my children, A rich China and a benign US is all we wanted.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. As I always said, China and me and and the rest of the members here NEVER seek disharmony and conflict. I would love it if we all get along together and sing kumbaya!

But they are members here sees China as the evil commies that must be irradiated from the face of the world.

Least we forget, China didn't started all this. It is the USA fear of China eclipsing them started this, and got worse with Trump!

All I'm trying to do is correct any mis-statement by members here. I know it's not possible to change their world views as they are already formed in their minds. But I must any inaccuracy so other members can be better informed for their decision making.
 

hullopilllw

Junior Member
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Hi TerraN_EmpirE, Gatekeeper and emblem21,

The sad reality is that, because of this tension (dont want to dwell on politics) people (govt) from the developing countries is also force to choose side that is detrimental for their development. If given a choice ,For me and the future of my children, A rich China and a benign US is all we wanted.

Since when is the US a benign power? Maybe it is to some because their nations has been staying on the good side of US, like Singapore, most nations however don't and several have gone into ruins under economic terrorism or outright armed intervention when regime-toppling missions fail.
 
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