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manqiangrexue

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BMEWS said:
I'll start with the most prominent one in mind, the Sputnik moment in which it appeared USSR was winning the space race handsomely in terms of being decades ahead of the USA. Yet it all reversed by the end of the decade with USA successfully landing man on moon and USSR canning its own moon ambitions/projects. From that point on USSR never caught up again in the grand scheme of things..
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No. Things were set up for the Soviet Union to fail. They invested all they had into a show project but deep down, their economy was rotten, and their population and talent pool were small. The Soviets were like a boxer with skinny legs; they could not keep up the long game to support the heavy and energy-expensive upper body or military development. The US was not in a losing position at all and knew that the Soviets made a one-time achievement without the stamina to continue.

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As to relevance of the China situation today, even this January it looked like Huawei had all but won the 5G war waged against it by USA/Trump. With anti-China socalled cybersecurity experts on Forbes and elsewhere lamenting that fact that despite US years of all out campaign against Huawei, that it still lost and even close allies like the UK still refused to ban Huawei... Europe looked like a win for China 5G.....
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The turning point was COVID plus the national security law for the UK. The national security law had to be passed for obvious reasons but COVID preyed on the minds of the irrational, which the UK government seems to be flush with. If you look at COVID from the big picture, it did more damage to the US than any Huawei loss could nibble at. Plus, because it devastated the economy of the West so badly, Huawei overtook Samsung. There is no victory here for the US.

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Now see how quickly everything reversed course and America came out on top? Whether or not they played fair is besides the point, I never claim about fairness, but we look at results and this is the result.
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No, I don't see. I see the US losing ground on tech to China every day. I think your cases are irrelevant.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
No. Things were set up for the Soviet Union to fail. They invested all they had into a show project but deep down, their economy was rotten, and their population and talent pool were small. The Soviets were like a boxer with skinny legs; they could not keep up the long game to support the heavy and energy-expensive upper body or military development. The US was not in a losing position at all and knew that the Soviets made a one-time achievement without the stamina to continue.


The turning point was COVID plus the national security law for the UK. The national security law had to be passed for obvious reasons but COVID preyed on the minds of the irrational, which the UK government seems to be flush with. If you look at COVID from the big picture, it did more damage to the US than any Huawei loss could nibble at. Plus, because it devastated the economy of the West so badly, Huawei overtook Samsung. There is no victory here for the US.


No, I don't see. I see the US losing ground on tech to China every day. I think your cases are irrelevant.
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I hope you are right, but at same time don't forget America has a lot of structural advantages that it gained over the decades as sole superpower that it seems more than willing to leverage and exploit in order to keep China down...

Just recently US State dept published the "CLEAN" initaitive.. part of which is calling for all Chinese apps on Google Play and Apple to be removed... this means not only will the likes of Tencent, Alipay, Wechat be terminate in the US, but they are going for the international markets as well, indeed with Pompous calling for an international response to join America in building a "CLEAN FORTRESS" to keep out the CCP/China.

These are all asymettric strategies US can deploy against China that China doesn't have the same means of fighting back.
 
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BMEWS said:
I'll start with the most prominent one in mind, the Sputnik moment in which it appeared USSR was winning the space race handsomely in terms of being decades ahead of the USA. Yet it all reversed by the end of the decade with USA successfully landing man on moon and USSR canning its own moon ambitions/projects. From that point on USSR never caught up again in the grand scheme of things..

As to relevance of the China situation today, even this January it looked like Huawei had all but won the 5G war waged against it by USA/Trump. With anti-China socalled cybersecurity experts on Forbes and elsewhere lamenting that fact that despite US years of all out campaign against Huawei, that it still lost and even close allies like the UK still refused to ban Huawei... Europe looked like a win for China 5G.....

Now see how quickly everything reversed course and America came out on top? Whether or not they played fair is besides the point, I never claim about fairness, but we look at results and this is the result.
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These two look the same, in reality point to completely different challenges. The United States beat the Soviets to the moon by looking inward and building a massive, state of the art technological research society. This is hard power.

In contrast, the United States suppressed Huawei because of its EXISTING superiority in diplomacy and leverage over countries. This is soft power.

Huawei's research abilities are still intact after this offensive, and the US seems more intent on banning Chinese tech than building new tech. Just look at Intel's 7nm failure for example.

This challenge therefore requires a different approach than the moon race. Personally, I like this guy's solution and will try to elaborate on it more.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1290856242831691776
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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BMEWS said:
I hope you are right, but at same time don't forget America has a lot of structural advantages that it gained over the decades as sole superpower that it seems more than willing to leverage and exploit in order to keep China down...

Just recently US State dept published the "CLEAN" initaitive.. part of which is calling for all Chinese apps on Google Play and Apple to be removed... this means not only will the likes of Tencent, Alipay, Wechat be terminate in the US, but they are going for the international markets as well, indeed with Pompous calling for an international response to join America in building a "CLEAN FORTRESS" to keep out the CCP/China.

These are all asymettric strategies US can deploy against China that China doesn't have the same means of fighting back.
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This is what I wrote the the new desperation struggle called CLEAN but you somehow replied with an answer that completely ignored tech:

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This is why China needed the SCS to defend and protect its trade/seas in the first place... The current and escalating American actions have just proven China more and more correct.. In retrospect the CCP decision to ban Google turned out to be a master genius move... imagine the havoc US can...
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As for the rest of your post, I had written this at least twice, likely before you had joined the forum. The US fights like an old lion; it uses all the skills and tools it accumulated during his reign as his main weapon to attack its rival(s). China fights like a young lion; it focuses on its own growth to become a bigger lion. The old lion needs to aggressively do things hoping to stop the young lion's growth while the young lion just needs to defend and grow until it becomes too big to attack. That's why despite the US seeming more aggressive, it is actually the one in a more vulnerable position as it sees its rival grow and run down the clock on its reign. American aggression stems from desperation.
 
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Soon, every big country is likely to use “national security” as a pretext to fracture international tech companies. And ironically, it’s the US companies like Facebook or Google that are likely to lose the most from the fallout.
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Founder of Telegram and VK gives his take.

If there is anything left to use against Google, now would be the time imo. Extract concessions or kill it.
 
SteelBird

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While most analysts predict that Trump will lose the November election to his opponent Jose Biden, I have an uncertain feeling Trump will continue his presidency for at least another term because he will do anything to win.

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While most analysts predict that Trump will lose the November election to his opponent Jose Biden, I have an uncertain feeling Trump will continue his presidency for at least another term because he will do anything to win.

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There is a very good chance that he will win come November.
 
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