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PiSigma

"the engineer"
I am a bit surprised by the move. Why disband the group instead of moving it overseas?
They don't want to get arrested. The whole purpose of these guys is get some foreign funding and create problems using the security law loophole. Without the loophole and no funding, they have no motivation to keep going. Just shows they don't believe what they preach, just doing it for money.
 

siegecrossbow

Brigadier
Staff member
Super Moderator
They don't want to get arrested. The whole purpose of these guys is get some foreign funding and create problems using the security law loophole. Without the loophole and no funding, they have no motivation to keep going. Just shows they don't believe what they preach, just doing it for money.
Trump did cutoff their funding so I guess you got a point there.
 

KYli

Junior Member
Key elements
Setting up a national security agency in Hong Kong. Mainland officers will be given immunity from local law. Hong Kong's chief executive can appoint judges in national security cases.

Elements that tailored to the rioters.

Section III Crimes of Terrorism Article 24 is to coerce the Central People's Government, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Government or international organizations or to intimidate the public in order to achieve political opinions, organize, plan, implement, participate in or threaten to implement the following causes or intentions to cause serious One of the socially harmful terrorist activities is a crime:
(1) Severe violence against people;
(2) Explosion, arson, or release of poisonous, radioactive, or infectious pathogens;
(3) Destruction of vehicles, transportation facilities, electrical equipment, fuel gas equipment or other flammable and explosive equipment;
(4) Seriously interfering and destroying electronic control systems for public services and management such as water, electricity, gas, transportation, communications, and networks;
(5) Using other dangerous methods to seriously endanger public health or safety.
Whoever commits the crimes mentioned in the preceding paragraph and causes serious injury, death or serious loss of public or private property shall be sentenced to life imprisonment or more than ten years in prison; in other cases, he shall be sentenced to not less than three years but not more than ten years.

第三節 恐怖活動罪第二十四條 為脅迫中央人民政府、香港特別行政區政府或者國際組織或者威嚇公眾以圖實現政治主張,組織、策劃、實施、參與實施或者威脅實施以下造成或者意圖造成嚴重社會危害的恐怖活動之一的,即屬犯罪:
(一)針對人的嚴重暴力;
(二)爆炸、縱火或者投放毒害性、放射性、傳染病病原體等物質;
(三)破壞交通工具、交通設施、電力設備、燃氣設備或者其他易燃易爆設備;
(四)嚴重幹擾、破壞水、電、燃氣、交通、通訊、網路等公共服務和管理的電子控制系統;
(五)以其他危險方法嚴重危害公眾健康或者安全。
犯前款罪,致人重傷、死亡或者使公私財產遭受重大損失的,處無期徒刑或者十年以上有期徒刑;其他情形,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。

Elements that demanded the HK government to do more.

Article 9 The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall strengthen the work of safeguarding national security and preventing terrorist activities. The government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall take necessary measures to strengthen publicity, guidance, supervision and management of matters involving national security in schools, social organizations, media, and networks.

第九條 香港特別行政區應當加強維護國家安全和防範恐怖活動的工作。對學校、社會團體、媒體、網絡等涉及國家安全的事宜,香港特別行政區政府應當採取必要措施,加強宣傳、指導、監督和管理。


BBC's summary
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new law's key provisions include that:

Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

Management of foreign non-governmental organisations and news agencies will be strengthened

The law will also apply to non-permanent residents
 

supercat

Junior Member
Key elements
Setting up a national security agency in Hong Kong. Mainland officers will be given immunity from local law. Hong Kong's chief executive can appoint judges in national security cases.

Elements that tailored to the rioters.

Section III Crimes of Terrorism Article 24 is to coerce the Central People's Government, the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Government or international organizations or to intimidate the public in order to achieve political opinions, organize, plan, implement, participate in or threaten to implement the following causes or intentions to cause serious One of the socially harmful terrorist activities is a crime:
(1) Severe violence against people;
(2) Explosion, arson, or release of poisonous, radioactive, or infectious pathogens;
(3) Destruction of vehicles, transportation facilities, electrical equipment, fuel gas equipment or other flammable and explosive equipment;
(4) Seriously interfering and destroying electronic control systems for public services and management such as water, electricity, gas, transportation, communications, and networks;
(5) Using other dangerous methods to seriously endanger public health or safety.
Whoever commits the crimes mentioned in the preceding paragraph and causes serious injury, death or serious loss of public or private property shall be sentenced to life imprisonment or more than ten years in prison; in other cases, he shall be sentenced to not less than three years but not more than ten years.

第三節 恐怖活動罪第二十四條 為脅迫中央人民政府、香港特別行政區政府或者國際組織或者威嚇公眾以圖實現政治主張,組織、策劃、實施、參與實施或者威脅實施以下造成或者意圖造成嚴重社會危害的恐怖活動之一的,即屬犯罪:
(一)針對人的嚴重暴力;
(二)爆炸、縱火或者投放毒害性、放射性、傳染病病原體等物質;
(三)破壞交通工具、交通設施、電力設備、燃氣設備或者其他易燃易爆設備;
(四)嚴重幹擾、破壞水、電、燃氣、交通、通訊、網路等公共服務和管理的電子控制系統;
(五)以其他危險方法嚴重危害公眾健康或者安全。
犯前款罪,致人重傷、死亡或者使公私財產遭受重大損失的,處無期徒刑或者十年以上有期徒刑;其他情形,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。

Elements that demanded the HK government to do more.

Article 9 The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall strengthen the work of safeguarding national security and preventing terrorist activities. The government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region shall take necessary measures to strengthen publicity, guidance, supervision and management of matters involving national security in schools, social organizations, media, and networks.

第九條 香港特別行政區應當加強維護國家安全和防範恐怖活動的工作。對學校、社會團體、媒體、網絡等涉及國家安全的事宜,香港特別行政區政府應當採取必要措施,加強宣傳、指導、監督和管理。


BBC's summary
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new law's key provisions include that:

Crimes of secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces are punishable by a maximum sentence of life in prison

Damaging public transport facilities can be considered terrorism

Those found guilty will not be allowed to stand for public office

Companies can be fined if convicted under the law

Beijing will establish a new security office in Hong Kong, with its own law enforcement personnel - neither of which would come under the local authority's jurisdiction

This office can send some cases to be tried in mainland China - but Beijing has said it will only have that power over a "tiny number" of cases

In addition, Hong Kong will have to establish its own national security commission to enforce the laws, with a Beijing-appointed adviser

Hong Kong's chief executive will have the power to appoint judges to hear national security cases, raising fears about judicial autonomy

Importantly, Beijing will have power over how the law should be interpreted, not any Hong Kong judicial or policy body. If the law conflicts with any Hong Kong law, the Beijing law takes priority

Some trials will be heard behind closed doors.

People suspected of breaking the law can be wire-tapped and put under surveillance

Management of foreign non-governmental organisations and news agencies will be strengthened

The law will also apply to non-permanent residents
Every country has such laws. Western condemnation is just hypocrisy.

Taiwan will not accept charged (not convicted) Hong Kong rioters after all. Who knew?:D
 

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