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AndrewS

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The Trump administration is shooting itself in the foot yet again this time by limiting work programs for foreign students. Most of these students are Chinese and Indian looking to work in the STEM field. By reducing its tech talent pool, not only does it stun U.S. technological innovation (which is built on the back of foreign tech workers), but it also hurts U.S. universities financially as foreign students pay 2x or 3x the tuition.

As I've said before, it is in China's interest to get Trump to get re-elected. IMO it's not Trump himself that's advocating these policies, it's the hardliners in administration. These hardliners clearly lack the foresight to see how their policies will be problematic for the U.S. in the long run.

I actually think it would be better if Biden were elected.

Yes, in the long-run, Trump being re-elected would be better for China's interests.
But in the long-run, China doesn't really need the extra assistance, because things are going to happen anyway.

And for the next few years, the world needs to pull together, rather than be divided by Trump.
 

SoupDumplings

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I actually think it would be better if Biden were elected.

Yes, in the long-run, Trump being re-elected would be better for China's interests.
But in the long-run, China doesn't really need the extra assistance, because things are going to happen anyway.

And for the next few years, the world needs to pull together, rather than be divided by Trump.
Not really. Right now, the EU absolutely hates Trump. If Biden gets elected, the US and EU may be able to coordinate their policies against China. They are both hardening their stances towards China, but at least for now they are not coordinating with each other.

I agree that right now the world needs to pull together, but for China, it would be better if the world pulled together towards China and the EU rather than having the US lead. At least, that's my opinion.
 

AndrewS

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Not really. Right now, the EU absolutely hates Trump. If Biden gets elected, the US and EU may be able to coordinate their policies against China. They are both hardening their stances towards China, but at least for now they are not coordinating with each other.

But those policies between the USA and EU will be a lot more moderate.
At the moment, we see the US hurling firebombs that damage everyone, particularly China.

I agree that right now the world needs to pull together, but for China, it would be better if the world pulled together towards China and the EU rather than having the US lead. At least, that's my opinion.

How is the US supposed to lead, given that it is likely to face much bigger and more numerous COVID-19 outbreaks than China?

And you have to combine that with the likelihood that China will end up developing and producing most of the world's vaccines and protective equipment.

Chinese growth has been hurt badly this year, and is currently forecast at around 1%.
But that still qualifies China as being the major driver of global growth, because the USA and Europe are forecast to have far worse figures.
 

SoupDumplings

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But those policies between the USA and EU will be a lot more moderate.
At the moment, we see the US hurling firebombs that damage everyone, particularly China.



How is the US supposed to lead, given that it is likely to face much bigger and more numerous COVID-19 outbreaks than China?

And you have to combine that with the likelihood that China will end up developing and producing most of the world's vaccines and protective equipment.

Chinese growth has been hurt badly this year, and is currently forecast at around 1%.
But that still qualifies China as being the major driver of global growth, because the USA and Europe are forecast to have far worse figures.
Hmm, you're right. It's true that the EU might be a moderating force. But it is also possible that the main thing holding the EU back from being more aggressive towards China is its lack of muscle. If the US backs it up, the EU might get the confidence it needs to act more aggressively. The US will also be "hurling firebombs" towards China no matter what. Remember that the leaked GOP memo said that they planned to blame everything on China? This has led to a huge amount of anti-China propaganda. By the time Biden wins, the political atmosphere would force him to act against China. It would be better for China to let them damage others as well. At least then the US's influence will decrease even further.

The US can still lead. They have the most advanced financial system and medical services in the world. They have the most experience leading coalitions, including those against epidemics (Obama was quick to react against Ebola). They definitely have experts that can lead. If Biden takes charge, the many problems Trump is responsible for would quickly disappear, and what would be left is a damaged but well coordinated US. If Trump gets elected, we will get a damaged US that keeps trying to harm itself.

China definitely produces the most tests and medical equipment. But I think India produces a comparable amount of vaccines?

I also agree that economically, China has been hurt terribly this year, and the the US and EU would do even worse. However, with Biden in charge, and with sound(er) economic policies than Trump, the US may still be able to recover faster than most expect. This may negate the advantage of China's possible economic growth.

Sorry if this seems too much like a US vs China zero-sum argument, but with the bipartisan decision to act more firmly against China, I feel like it would be better for China if the world is less coordinated with Trump reelected. At least then, the anti-China feelings would be uncoordinated and mostly left to domestic politics, as most countries are unwilling to stand up to China alone.
 

AndrewS

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Hmm, you're right. It's true that the EU might be a moderating force. But it is also possible that the main thing holding the EU back from being more aggressive towards China is its lack of muscle. If the US backs it up, the EU might get the confidence it needs to act more aggressively. The US will also be "hurling firebombs" towards China no matter what. Remember that the leaked GOP memo said that they planned to blame everything on China? This has led to a huge amount of anti-China propaganda. By the time Biden wins, the political atmosphere would force him to act against China. It would be better for China to let them damage others as well. At least then the US's influence will decrease even further.

Think about it. The EU is based around international cooperation between different countries with different languages, cultures etc.

The nativists/nationalists look to their own interests. China can and has used this to fragment common EU positions.
The liberals/internationals spend all their time working out compromises that can satisfy everyone in the EU. They understand cooperation with China is a must.

So it's highly unlikely we will see an aggressive EU position against China.

This isn't a new thing. The USA has been doing the same to the EU for decades.


The US can still lead. They have the most advanced financial system and medical services in the world. They have the most experience leading coalitions, including those against epidemics (Obama was quick to react against Ebola). They definitely have experts that can lead. If Biden takes charge, the many problems Trump is responsible for would quickly disappear, and what would be left is a damaged but well coordinated US. If Trump gets elected, we will get a damaged US that keeps trying to harm itself.

China definitely produces the most tests and medical equipment. But I think India produces a comparable amount of vaccines?

I also agree that economically, China has been hurt terribly this year, and the the US and EU would do even worse. However, with Biden in charge, and with sound(er) economic policies than Trump, the US may still be able to recover faster than most expect. This may negate the advantage of China's possible economic growth.

Sorry if this seems too much like a US vs China zero-sum argument, but with the bipartisan decision to act more firmly against China, I feel like it would be better for China if the world is less coordinated with Trump reelected. At least then, the anti-China feelings would be uncoordinated and mostly left to domestic politics, as most countries are unwilling to stand up to China alone.

The US having the most advanced financial systems and medical services in the world DOES NOT MATTER.

How do these contribute to leadership in a COVID-19 pandemic?

What matters is creating *real* demand instead of more financial instruments.
That will stimulate the domestic economy and bleed over internationally.
The Chinese economy is better structured to do this, and China also won't be be wracked with continuous serious outbreaks like the US will likely be.

And during a pandemic, all those advanced medical services in the USA have been shut down in favour of intensive care and critical care services. Every country is capable of providing such services, although how much capacity they can provide is another question.
But that is dependent on production capacity for medical equipment, which is where China leads.

And then there are vaccines. Again, China is likely the developer and also manufacturer, given the ramp up in production capacity.
And that applies to treatments/drugs for COVID-19 as well.[/QUOTE]

Anyway, back on topic now. A discussion can be moved to another thread.
 

2handedswordsman

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he US can still lead. They have the most advanced financial system and medical services in the world. They have the most experience leading coalitions, including those against epidemics (Obama was quick to react against Ebola). They definitely have experts that can lead.

For real??? USA has by far the worst response in pandemic. It's a pity and shameful for the so called most advanced country to have such a poor performance. Even 3rd world countries, and countries slapped by inhuman killing embargoes and sanctions are doing far better. As for the advanced financial system let me not LOL but...ROFLMAO. The system that made oil price to be negative? These guys are printing value out of thin air so shamelessly. The opened the Pandora's box. Do you thing that major economies will sit and be robbed that way? This behaviour will accelerate de-dollarization of world. EU has the muscles, most members are NATO allies. They just don't have the political will to move against China. No one here talks about China virus or such B*shit. No one. From left to right wing . Trump is trying to distract US common sense, motivating by the fact that the majority of Americans are UFO goat starers. But things are going like boomerang, dear Aussies learnt it the hard way.
 

ougoah

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LOL advanced financial system. The same one that brings down the entire global economy every 20 years and utterly destroys it every 40 years? All the while presenting golden opportunities for the elites to own up the remaining resources left in the world? Sure it's advanced I suppose if you're a billionaire. This financial system is actually partly if not majorly responsible for most of the wars since the beginning of the 20th century if not earlier and increasingly makes the poor poorer and top percentile wealthier in EVERY SINGLE instance and place where it is used and allowed to thrive. It's a parasite. The only progress around the world has been made by the STEM people and good government. Not capitalism and certainly not crony capitalism that is rampant around the world including China.

Ignoring outliers of super productive individuals e.g. the Bill Gates, Jack Mas, Elon Musks etc, the financial system guarantees your slavery and forces your participation while on the whole, the general population gets poorer at an increasing rate of decline. These are black and white facts and undeniable. How flexible this system is in responding to instability is another issue.
 
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canniBUS

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LOL advanced financial system. The same one that brings down the entire global economy every 20 years and utterly destroys it every 40 years? All the while presenting golden opportunities for the elites to own up the remaining resources left in the world? Sure it's advanced I suppose if you're a billionaire. This financial system is actually partly if not majorly responsible for most of the wars since the beginning of the 20th century if not earlier and increasingly makes the poor poorer and top percentile wealthier in EVERY SINGLE instance and place where it is used and allowed to thrive. It's a parasite. The only progress around the world has been made by the STEM people and good government. Not capitalism and certainly not crony capitalism that is rampant around the world including China.

Ignoring outliers of super productive individuals e.g. the Bill Gates, Jack Mas, Elon Musks etc, the financial system guarantees your slavery and forces your participation while on the whole, the general population gets poorer at an increasing rate of decline. These are black and white facts and undeniable. How flexible this system is in responding to instability is another issue.
Your post was mostly good but the only way to make Gates, Ma, and Musk productive members of society is sentence them all to 10 years of reeducation through labour.
 

ougoah

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Your post was mostly good but the only way to make Gates, Ma, and Musk productive members of society is sentence them all to 10 years of reeducation through labour.

I'm not a Communist and can't agree with this entire idea in any way. Also I don't believe Bill Gates is some evil Bond villain, plandemic plotter. There are members of society who are more productive than others and some who are more intelligent. All of them should be sentenced to forced labour on the whims of some authoritarian decision or kangaroo court? Treading the fine line between good authoritarianism and bad is what the CCP seems to be doing. Of course, their enemies are quick to suggest that no fine line exists and their shadowy propaganda and rule is preferable to overt state propaganda and authoritarianism like China's. All I know is that only one side of this struggle is constantly pointing fingers, exaggerating issues, and actively engaged in undermining the other, all the while claiming the other side is doing that to them with rich emotional manipulation and no substantial evidence. So it's clear to me who is more sinister. CCP's revolutionary crimes and blunders notwithstanding.
 

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I could'nt think of any place to put this. and my apologies if it has been discussed elsewhere.

The Uk changes courses by requiring all Huawei gear to be stripped out by 2023.

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I wonder if Covid 19 was the catalyst in British MP's having a total rethink in not becoming too dependant on China.
Have Huawei actually started installing any 5g equipment yet and will countries like France and Germany follow suit?

It simply means British gov chose to side and decline into the sunset together with US. And they also forgo any trade deal with China in the future. Please also put an end to the Hualong nuclear power plant review.
 
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