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solarz

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Outrageous and disgusting behaviour by the police and hotel. I have zero doubt this would not have happened to a white family.

I can sort of understand the police officers evicting the family from the hotel premises if the hotel staff demanded it. But manhandling a frail old man, and not rendering medical assistance when he became unwell as a result is dereliction of duty at minimum, and could easily constitute a crime.

Also, there is absolutely no reason or excuse to take the family and dump them in the middle of nowhere.

That’s false imprisonment, kidnap and reckless endangerment easily.

I hope the family sues the Swedish police and take them to the cleaners and the officers are procedured for this.

Agreed with your assessment, but unfortunately it doesn't look like it will happen. This happened on Sept 2nd, and the family immediately returned to China thereafter. In the two weeks since, the Swedish government has not responded to the Chinese embassy's request for an apology, and the police department has said it will not start an investigation against the officers involved.
 

ougoah

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Some reports and self-proclaimed eye witnesses say the family was acting improperly and unreasonably. Not sure if true but they claim that the family came to hotel too early, well before check in time and demanded their room. Then proceeded to sleep in the lobby when refused and told not to sleep in the lobby unless they want the police to be involved. This could actually explain the events more so than Swedish police acting a bit out of character and literally man-handling otherwise well-behaved guests. Everything suggests this is not the case.

To really come to some conclusion on what happened, we need videos or official statements. So far just the family's perspective and a tabloid article. It would be silly for Swedish police who are otherwise extremely passive and more well-behaved than American ones, to do what is claimed unless thoroughly provoked. It's not sensible to draw immediate conclusions just from emotional reactions and without more concrete evidence.

BTW i'm not being an apologist or defending inappropriate police use of force. The story just doesn't make sense and all we see are the aftermath of what resulted in police getting called to handle the problem. Maybe the hotel staff completely overreacted and police were quick to proceed to using force (but all police use of force are considered brutal. This just shows police carrying a person out against their will). But ask why it was necessary to escalate matters to the point where the hotel calls police. Seriously just leave and give them a terrible review if that is the case, don't stand around asking for escalation unless you know what to expect and can deal with it.
 
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What is the world getting into?
I can summed that up with one word, mad. The world is plain going mad, to many people who are convinced that they are absolutely right and everyone else is wrong.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Some reports and self-proclaimed eye witnesses say the family was acting improperly and unreasonably. Not sure if true but they claim that the family came to hotel too early, well before check in time and demanded their room. Then proceeded to sleep in the lobby when refused and told not to sleep in the lobby unless they want the police to be involved. This could actually explain the events more so than Swedish police acting a bit out of character and literally man-handling otherwise well-behaved guests. Everything suggests this is not the case.

To really come to some conclusion on what happened, we need videos or official statements. So far just the family's perspective and a tabloid article. It would be silly for Swedish police who are otherwise extremely passive and more well-behaved than American ones, to do what is claimed unless thoroughly provoked. It's not sensible to draw immediate conclusions just from emotional reactions and without more concrete evidence.

BTW i'm not being an apologist or defending inappropriate police use of force. The story just doesn't make sense and all we see are the aftermath of what resulted in police getting called to handle the problem. Maybe the hotel staff completely overreacted and police were quick to proceed to using force (but all police use of force are considered brutal. This just shows police carrying a person out against their will). But ask why it was necessary to escalate matters to the point where the hotel calls police. Seriously just leave and give them a terrible review if that is the case, don't stand around asking for escalation unless you know what to expect and can deal with it.

I think you're overlooking a few things here.

First, the family arrived in the early AM. Where do you expect them to go, in the middle of the night, in a foreign country, with two elderly parents? Unexpected things can happen to all of us when traveling, and one would expect that the hostel would try to offer some help based on common decency alone. Sure, I can understand if the hostel doesn't want anyone sleeping in the lobby, but why could they not have offered some alternatives? Even if they were completely booked, couldn't they have offered a staff room? An office? A lunch room?

Second, just because Swedish police in general has a good reputation does not mean there won't be bad incidents. At the very least, they should have offered medical assistance. Why drive them to a cemetary when they could just as easily have taken them to a hospital? I don't know how they do things in Sweden, but here in Canada, even violent criminals get taken to the hospital if they appear to have health issues.
 

ougoah

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I think you're overlooking a few things here.

First, the family arrived in the early AM. Where do you expect them to go, in the middle of the night, in a foreign country, with two elderly parents? Unexpected things can happen to all of us when traveling, and one would expect that the hostel would try to offer some help based on common decency alone. Sure, I can understand if the hostel doesn't want anyone sleeping in the lobby, but why could they not have offered some alternatives? Even if they were completely booked, couldn't they have offered a staff room? An office? A lunch room?

Second, just because Swedish police in general has a good reputation does not mean there won't be bad incidents. At the very least, they should have offered medical assistance. Why drive them to a cemetary when they could just as easily have taken them to a hospital? I don't know how they do things in Sweden, but here in Canada, even violent criminals get taken to the hospital if they appear to have health issues.

I definitely understand and sympathise because it is easy to screw up a plan or forget altogether. They did not plan appropriately or maybe the problem was with transport (in which case the agency should usually fix things by offering free accommodation or use airport hotel). They may have asked for understanding and support in a civilised manner but received no kindness from the staff. We don't really know how any of that happened though so it would be a bit unfair to assume they acted appropriately and did not behave in a disruptive way that would force the staff to call police. If they didn't, then the harsh judgement on the hotel staff is entirely warranted. But that's still an if at this point. We can't reasonably expect everything to go our way even if we behave well and ask nicely. Particularly true for us because most of the world have been indoctrinated to absolutely despise Chinese no matter the facts or circumstances for empathy.

We have to live with it. If they were treated poorly because of their nationality, it really does not surprise me. We've ALL been there many times. Just don't visit western nations would be my advice. I'm not sure why any Chinese person feels inclined to spend hard earned money in overpriced West. The experiences to be had are overrated and learning about places and history can be done literally anywhere with an internet connection. Some of us born and raised here must deal with it because there is no realistic alternative. These holidays are too often romanticised and if you were a teen or young adult, I get it. Life's a more extreme adventure of discovery. If you're old and want to see the glory of Europe or just want to experience and learn in person, go with the knowledge that you are not liked and behind the forced smiles, the deal is you pay up and eff off as quickly as possible. So knowing that truth, why go? Sure there are truly kind and intelligent specimens everywhere but they are an extreme minority even in the highly educated west.

Work hard to improve own nation and ignore the rest. They owe us no compassion and in return they deserve none from us. Don't stoop to hating, just treat others with indifference. Asians have for the most part, treated westerners with dignity and respect because they are bringing tourism dollars and other positive outcomes, Asians spending money there is considered a threat somehow and they don't even like it! Australians are angry that Chinese are purchasing Australian produced milk powder. The manufacturers and suppliers have dealt with increased demand but the population finds that as a reason to hate Chinese. That's the extent of the cognitive dissonance. It's been proven again and again that we will be hated no matter what and for right or wrong reasons. That's the power of western propaganda and brainwashing. So even if this incident is 100% true from the Chinese guy's recount, it should be hardly a surprise when Chinese people are being racially targeted for violent attacks around the western world. Maybe it's because there's more and more of us becoming citizens, permanent residents, and tourists. Getting wealthier relative to where western people are.

Someone's previous post asked why the world is the way it is, that's because evil things are allowed to happen and most people are too selfishly motivated to care about right and wrong. Old Christian teachings like love thy neighbour is well and truly dead in most of the West and didn't really work at any point regardless. Bitter truth is we're pretty nasty things and so any feigned kindness you experience in life is usually still motivated by some selfish desire. People have forgotten how to think properly.
 
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later quite interesting statements were made:

"As a result of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military, 15 Russian servicemen were killed, which is absolutely not in keeping with the spirit of Russian-Israeli partnership," said Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, spokesperson for the Russian military, according to RIA-Novosti.
In a rare acknowledgment of its military activity in the region, Israel expressed "sorrow" for the loss of Russian life ... etc.:
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plawolf

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One should not judge events purely on historic reputation.

The far right made significant gains in recent Swedish elections. There is significant anti-foreigner sentiment in Sweden today as a result of its liberal policies towards taking in refugees.

With that backdrop, I find the Chinese embassy version very plausible and believable.
 
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later quite interesting statements were made:

"As a result of the irresponsible actions of the Israeli military, 15 Russian servicemen were killed, which is absolutely not in keeping with the spirit of Russian-Israeli partnership," said Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, spokesperson for the Russian military, according to RIA-Novosti.
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2. When the Syrian Army launched the missiles that hit the Russian plane, IAF jets were already within Israeli airspace. 3. During the strike against the target in Latakia, the Russian plane that was then hit was not within the area of the operation.
 
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Shooting with multiple victims reported in Maryland
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Maryland authorities are responding to a shooting in Harford County involving multiple victims, the Harford County Sheriff's office tweeted Thursday morning.
People are being asked to avoid the area in Perryman, roughly 30 miles northeast of Baltimore. There are homes, churches and a cemetery in the area.
Deputies were dispatched to the scene at 9:09 a.m. ET, the sheriff's office tweeted.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sent agents from Baltimore to the scene. The FBI's Baltimore office is also assisting in the investigation.
"We are closely monitoring the horrific shooting," Gov. Larry Hogan tweeted. "Our prayers are with all those impacted, including our first responders. The State stands ready to offer any support."
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