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emblem21

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With the current situation happening in the west coast, I am curious as to whether this will lead to something actually happening. If the earthquakes strike home on a save above 9, one can imagine how difficult it will be for the USA to fight Russia and China when the west coast is underwater. Again no one in Washington seems to care nowadays
 

solarz

Brigadier
Putin: People Have Been Trying To Spook And Intimidate Me With China Since 2000!

Russian President Vladimir Putin has slammed the "China threat" theory hyped by the West: People have been trying to spook me and intimidate me with China starting with the year 2000. Since then, those who tried to spook me, they got afraid themselves and they tried to change their policies towards China.

Russia Insight - 08 December 2021


Direct from the mouth of President Vladimir Putin!

Putin says it all: the US is sanctioning both Russia and China (unsuccessfully in China's case). Russia see China treating Russian interests with respect. Why the hell would Russia throw that away to align with the US?

The more interesting question is why there are still people clinging on to this obvious delusion?
 

solarz

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In my opinion, instead of saying, “one specific form of democracy”, it should just be democracy. Some states just can’t use democracy whatsoever due to many variables like the environment, education levels, and cultural values. Promoting various forms of democracy is still, in a way, endorsing democracy (as a whole) as a universal value. In short, based on what you said, I would just say this:

“Democracy as a whole is not a universal value. It is a choice based on history and customs, it must fit and be adjusted to each country's reality. It would be counter-productive if democracy is forced upon”

You are using the definition of democracy as hijacked by the West, which is namely multiparty elections.

We have seen that multiparty elections do not necessarily bring about democracy. Just because people are voting doesn't mean they really have a choice.
 

Phead128

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Putin says it all: the US is sanctioning both Russia and China (unsuccessfully in China's case). Russia see China treating Russian interests with respect. Why the hell would Russia throw that away to align with the US?

The more interesting question is why there are still people clinging on to this obvious delusion?
They are hoping post-Putin with be Western aligned and quasi-alliance against China (e.g. "Reverse Nixon")

They hope that converging interests in Central Asia (where Russia dominates via CSTO and China dominates via economy) or frictions over Siberian Artic Northern Sea route will erupt into another 'Russo-Sino split'.

China is careful to manage it's relationship with Russia, as friends, good friends, not allies, not enemies. Both sides know how West will play each other off for their own advantage.
 

BoraTas

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It doesn't appear to be so. Despite the ban on certain items the value of trade is up this year 24%.

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I think there needs to be a big drop off in Iron ore imports and price for Australia to feel any pain.
There was a spike in commodity prices in the first 6 months. Just wait until the end of 2022.
Putin says it all: the US is sanctioning both Russia and China (unsuccessfully in China's case). Russia see China treating Russian interests with respect. Why the hell would Russia throw that away to align with the US?

The more interesting question is why there are still people clinging on to this obvious delusion?
Because the American/British media is extremely good at creating alternative realities. Come on, how many the collapse of the Chinese economy articles we had just this year? They were literally talking about the collapse of China while their economies were smaller than their Q4 2019 sizes despite printing like crazy. We had articles in early-2020 on how China could only stop the pandemic by transitioning to a democracy. We had articles on how China's boycott of Australian coal was causing widespread blackouts so people were going to freeze in winter. In that reality, Russia would of course side with the USA against China. They may as well list Darth Vader, Sauron and Borgs on the US side too. That's how trustworthy they are.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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You are using the definition of democracy as hijacked by the West, which is namely multiparty elections.

We have seen that multiparty elections do not necessarily bring about democracy. Just because people are voting doesn't mean they really have a choice.
What would your definition of democracy be then? I know that there are several versions of it.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
You are using the definition of democracy as hijacked by the West, which is namely multiparty elections.

We have seen that multiparty elections do not necessarily bring about democracy. Just because people are voting doesn't mean they really have a choice.
Australia with its system of compulsory election would be an example .


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xypher

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USSR was threat as it was withholding the best and brightest from West. China cannot with hold best and brightest from Asia moving to West.. It does not matter whether its Taiwianesw or Vietnamese or anyone else.
Yeah, by imposing travel controls. After the Union fell, Russia and the rest of CIS experienced (and still experience) immense brain drain. You also have a quite funny and specific definition for what accounts as a threat and what doesn't, so I'd suggest you stop speaking as if it is some fact, lol. China already attracts top talent from the likes of TSMC while Russia has to pay a premium for UMC workers, lol.
Look at the Maritians scientists from Hungry from Pre-Communist era and there contribution to US. That communism stop the scientific progress and wealth creation.
Russia is still using and relying a lot on the technological advancements made in the USSR era. "Stopped the scientific progress", lol.
Russia much more sophisticated and refined oil. everything is computerized control. no need to make announcements.
To squeeze EU. refined diesel are exported to US.
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Lol. Refined petroleum is not "sophisticated", there are petroleum refineries all over the world. What kind of sophisticated fuels does Russia produce that no other country does? Please, provide a list and citations. Also provide a citation on the highlighted part, please, and also a citation that other refineries (e.g. in KSA or SK) are not "computerized control". For now, all of this sounds like the "sophisticated" Australian beef or coal that they claimed China could not replace.
South Korea does not have GDP. Only GDP matter what you own and control.
Sounds like copium.
 

xypher

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KSA oil fields require water injection to extract the remaining oil. It is not as cheap as it used to be. Iran has a lot more potential as a cheap oil source. I have heard KSA extraction cost might be as high as $20 per barrel.
Iran? Sure but it is under sanctions, hence cannot really replace KSA as a source of cheap oil for now. Still, it seems that China has increased its oil imports from Iran under the China-Iran agreement, even
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KSA is also highly dependent on oil revenues. This is why when they tried to put Russia down by flooding the market with oil, with the expectation Russia would be the first to come to the table, they failed. KSA has oil extraction costs almost as high as Russia's and they don't have anything else to fall back on.
Energy (fuels, crude oil, gas, etc.) constituted
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and oil & gas accounted for 50% of the federal budget. KSA was mostly forced to stop their strategy due to
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, not Russia. Do you have citations on their extraction costs being as high as Russia? Heavily doubt it.
Russia can survive just fine even without any oil revenues. Russia can feed itself and is highly self-reliant.
Demonstrably false as the Russian economy went into recession in 2014-2015 due to the sanctions and the oil glut which crashed the oil prices. Russian GDP still cannot get to the 2013 high of $2.3 trillion, even the current 2021 projections for the Russian nominal GDP by IMF is only $1.7 trillion. There's a big difference between "being able to feed itself" and the economy "being just fine", unless you meant "surviving" literally as in "the state will not cease to exist". Russia is certainly far more self-reliant than KSA, no arguments there.
 

pmc

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Yeah, by imposing travel controls. After the Union fell, Russia and the rest of CIS experienced (and still experience) immense brain drain. You also have a quite funny and specific definition for what accounts as a threat and what doesn't, so I'd suggest you stop speaking as if it is some fact, lol. China already attracts top talent from the likes of TSMC while Russia has to pay a premium for UMC workers, lol.
TSMC has some talent in some fields that will be replaced in West and Russia. TSMC fully depended on Jews/Russian working in Germany and US.
Do you know how many trillions US spend in Middleast due to USSR? start with 1956 Suez crises. and Trillions in Oil embargoes/ Camp David treaties.
You dont even realize the full force of West on one side.

Russia is still using and relying a lot on the technological advancements made in the USSR era. "Stopped the scientific progress", lol.

Lol. Refined petroleum is not "sophisticated", there are petroleum refineries all over the world. What kind of sophisticated fuels does Russia produce that no other country does? Please, provide a list and citations. Also provide a citation on the highlighted part, please, and also a citation that other refineries (e.g. in KSA or SK) are not "computerized control". For now, all of this sounds like the "sophisticated" Australian beef or coal that they claimed China could not replace.

Sounds like copium.
Its Euro 6 standards that are exported as only Russia have the surplus.
 
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