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LawLeadsToPeace

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Western think tankers went into meltdown when the State Council released the White Paper on democracy

I feel this issue is a sore spot for the West. We should relentlessly press it as the developing world is not blind. They can see who is Gucci Democracy and who is the real democracy.
Unpopular opinion here: Personally I think the Chinese should have also downgraded democracy from a necessity like water and air to just another flawed political system like all other political systems. The reason is that democracy has now became a cult-like entity. It should have been treated as another political device that perhaps can help a country, NOT as a political religion and an end-all-be-all system. If they can shatter this cult while continuously rising in military and economic might, then the West basically has no footing in the international realm of public relations. TLDR: the Chinese should have also downplayed democracy to break its treasure looking illusion.
 

zxy_bc

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Unpopular opinion here: Personally I think the Chinese should have also downgraded democracy from a necessity like water and air to just another flawed political system like all other political systems. The reason is that democracy has now became a cult-like entity. It should have been treated as another political device that perhaps can help a country, NOT as a political religion and an end-all-be-all system. If they can shatter this cult while continuously rising in military and economic might, then the West basically has no footing in the international realm of public relations. TLDR: the Chinese should have also downplayed democracy to break its treasure looking illusion.
If you are keen on learning Chinese take on Democracy and the Chinese Democratic Supervision structure, I could give you a link on the English version of the recently published Chinese Democratic White Paper.
 

gelgoog

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What's the point you are trying to convey? KSA has both greater reserves (far greater, actually) and is a larger exporter of oil than Russia. Let's also not forget that KSA petroleum is probably THE cheapest to exploit (there were studies that indicated that some of the KSA oil fields could still be profitable at the oil prices of like $5 per barrel), while most Russian oil is located in North-West Siberia with a harsh climate and the need to transfer it via pipes in order to sell it to anyone.

KSA oil fields require water injection to extract the remaining oil. It is not as cheap as it used to be. Iran has a lot more potential as a cheap oil source. I have heard KSA extraction cost might be as high as $20 per barrel.

KSA is also highly dependent on oil revenues. This is why when they tried to put Russia down by flooding the market with oil, with the expectation Russia would be the first to come to the table, they failed. KSA has oil extraction costs almost as high as Russia's and they don't have anything else to fall back on. Russia can survive just fine even without any oil revenues. Russia can feed itself and is highly self-reliant.
 

taxiya

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Unpopular opinion here: Personally I think the Chinese should have also downgraded democracy from a necessity like water and air to just another flawed political system like all other political systems. The reason is that democracy has now became a cult-like entity. It should have been treated as another political device that perhaps can help a country, NOT as a political religion and an end-all-be-all system. If they can shatter this cult while continuously rising in military and economic might, then the West basically has no footing in the international realm of public relations. TLDR: the Chinese should have also downplayed democracy to break its treasure looking illusion.
I think that is what China has been saying all the time about "western democracy". The saying goes like this "there is no universal form of democracy. Democracy is a choice based on history and customs, it must fit and be adjusted to each country's reality. It would be counter-productive if one specific form of democracy is forced upon".
 

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Across Tibet, "lucid waters and lush mountains are invaluable assets" “绿水青山真的是无价之宝!” -- the concept raised by Chinese President Xi Jinping is thriving in people's hearts. Today, Tibet is home to one of the most pristine natural environments on earth.


Read the fascinating piece to have a better understanding of the Roof of the World -- frankly not many people, esp. foreigners, have the opportunity to pay a visit to the plateau, starting from around 3.300-meter altitude at Lhasa, and mostly higher at other locations... Tibet is practically the highest inhabited region in the world. Boarding the train (taking a soft sleeper cabin) connecting Lhasa to Xining is also quite an experience in one's life when has the opportunity to get there... the landscapes along the railroad are majestic! (I feel blessed to have accomplished the two things many years ago)

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Once you've been visiting the plateau, now listening to this classic song is no longer the same... there are many great singers (Tsering Yangzom 次仁央宗、Ba Sang 巴桑、 Yangjin 泽仁央金、Alan·Dawa Dolma 阿兰·达瓦卓玛、Gong Yue 龚玥、 ) for this song, I share this one here because it carries Engsub.

Han Hong 韩红 — Tian Lu 《天路》 (Heavenly Road)


The instrumental version (Violin)

 
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zxy_bc

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I think that is what China has been saying all the time about "western democracy". The saying goes like this "there is no universal form of democracy. Democracy is a choice based on history and customs, it must fit and be adjusted to each country's reality. It would be counter-productive if one specific form of democracy is forced upon".
Democracy is the act of people participating and evaluating public policies in their best interests. As for in what ways, it depends on the culture, economics and demographics of the respective country.
 

Hendrik_2000

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That was the Indonesian government's position, but was that the position of many Indonesian Chinese at that time? I highly doubt. Even well into 1990s after 20 years of US recognizing PRC, lots of Chinese communities in the US still regard ROC as China, refusing PRC (meaning it does not exist). How could these kind of people request and get help from an entity that don't exist in their mind?

Another example, in recent years, many telecom fraud criminals from Taiwan was deported from 3rd countries to PRC under the same principle. There were lots of noises of PRC "abducting" these criminals. Whose fault is that?

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Are you sure ROC did not and does not provide "passport" to people who choose ROC as the legitimate China? Passport is recognized travel document by all countries even if that is issued by a unrecognized state, same as BNO "passport". I have seen lots of people from Taiwan passing borders in Europe. That means people can acquire such "passport" and travel the world without hindrance even if other countries do not recognize ROC, just like Indonesia back then.

Your example of "travel visa" is a twist or misunderstanding. It is a travel permit, it has nothing to do with a person's citizenship. The "visa" is called 中华民国台湾地区入出境许可证, ROC exist and entry permit. Check here. It is NOT a Visa (as for foreigner) in any sense.
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It is issued NOT ONLY to mainland, Hongkong and Macau Chinese, BUT ALSO to Taiwan residents who lost there "passport" abroad.

ROC by using such permit is actually avoiding the subject of citizenship. The same kind of certificate is also issued by PRC to Taiwan residents to enter mainland, it is called "台胞证"/"Taiwan compatriot certificate".

So no, your relative DID NOT get a "ROC visa". If he visit mainland China, he CAN NOT LIVE in PRC either if he have settled in Canada which means by law he should have de-registered his "户口". He can re-acquire that by application, but he has no residential right automatically.

Your younger relative NEVER need VISA in Taiwan, because he is legally citizen of ROC, just like me. Holding PRC passport only means that I and your young relative is citizen of ROC in "rebel hold" area. For a ROC citizen, there is no way to issue/acquire a VISA that is only meant for foreigners.

Please do some study before messing up everything and throwing BS on others.
I use the wrong term I should use ROC passport. I mean my relative is PRC citizen at that time because he is one of of those returnee and live there for 30 years. And left China after cultural revolution not that he is physically harmed but he just can't stand too much politicking. He immigrated to Canada but want to visit Indo but he is afraid since he is holding PRC passport. That is the reason he apply for ROC passport. They give him passport but with restriction of" no right of residency". I try to rebut your assertion that Chindo can apply to immigrate to Taiwan No such thing But there are many Chindo in Taiwan because Taiwan do give scholarship until today and some of them find way to get residency say married Taiwan girl or find employment . I don't know. This the real fact My younger relative never get ROC permanent visa He is still foreigner but they give him student visa to stay and scholarship. This is a fact I don't what you are trying to say
 
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