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hashtagpls

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In a masterful display of taichi, China subverts the democratic religion that the west, namely the anglos have used to declare war on China; it is China that is the True Democracy not the west:
To add on to this point, i'd consider this as China counter-attacking the anglos and their allies, attacking their legitimacy as they tried to do to China. Especially now in the modern age where the anglo american social fabric is so fragile and USG legitimacy is constantly questioned both internally and externally.

Western enemies of China tend to be the religious sort and tend to treat liberal democracies as theocratic third rails; using their own religious hypocrisy against them is absolutely crippling to the AUKUS types.
 

Nutrient

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Therefore, the only effective and realistic way for China to defeat the Western narrative is to come up with its own media platform with a global reach.

China may already have a platform with global reach. Before Trump attacked TikTok, it was the most downloaded app globally.
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. I don't know whether it still is.
 

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China may already have a platform with global reach. Before Trump attacked TikTok, it was the most downloaded app globally.
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. I don't know whether it still is.

TikTok is really going strong.

It is the number #1 social media app downloaded.

Now those influencers are starting to make money directly off their TikTok accounts apparently.

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weig2000

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Opinion piece on Russian media on Victoria Nuland's recent visit to Russia. It appears that the primary mission of the visit is to probe Russia flexibility to take "neutrality" stance vis-a-vis US-China strategic contest.

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If Victoria Nuland ever becomes US Secretary of State, then for the first time since Henry Kissinger this position will be occupied by a truly professional diplomat who can see the strategic depth of the problem, and not a political appointee who, at best, is more or less tolerable in solving tactical problems, at worst, not capable of this
Of course, Kissinger is an old-school diplomat, and Nuland needs to learn and learn to at least get close to his level, but other American diplomats are much farther to Nuland than the last one to Kissinger.

Victoria possesses all the qualities required of an outstanding diplomat. In addition to the ability to see the problem in all its depth and diversity, she is an extremely skillful, tough and uncompromising negotiator, able, however, to feel at what point it is necessary to compromise and what the depth of this compromise should be, so that the United States does not lose anything of what. what they can get as a result of negotiations. She, like all American politicians of the new generation, is hindered by ideologization and belief in American exceptionalism, but she demonstrates the ability to overcome the vicious practice of American narcissism, in cases where a real-life politician sharply diverges from Washington's ideas about the situation, and the continuation of an ideologized policy threatens an immediate catastrophe.

All in all, Nuland would have a great future in Kissinger's America. However, it is quite possible that in Biden's America she has already reached her limit, and it is her merits, sharply at odds with the American idea of the "right world", that will prevent her from growing further. In any case, she is far from young, and to the post of Secretary of State she needs to overcome (or jump) the steps of the presidential adviser on national security and / or the US representative to the UN.

It is such a diplomat - the main workhorse of the State Department - that the United States insistently asked to be hosted in Moscow for negotiations to resolve a complex of problematic issues. It was so important to send Nuland, and not just anyone, that Washington even agreed to fulfill the preliminary conditions on lifting personal sanctions from the Russian politician and on issuing visas to Russian diplomats appointed to the UN structures, whose arrival America had illegally slowed down for more than a year.

For the United States, fulfilling the preconditions for the start of negotiations is something unprecedented. Usually, Washington itself tries to put forward preconditions, refusing such attempts in completely critical cases for itself, such as, for example, in the story with the Taliban, who firmly squeezed the American tail in their hands, and then Washington tried to flutter for about a year. In our case, the Americans fulfilled the preconditions quietly and quickly, without unnecessary fuss and unnecessary disputes.

What problems did Victoria Nuland have to solve in Moscow? None. Her current position - Assistant Secretary of State for European and Asian Affairs (in our system of coordinates - Deputy Foreign Minister) does not imply the independent conclusion of any significant agreements. The ceiling of her competence is interdepartmental cooperation, but for this the United States would not fence such a garden. She did not have the authority to conclude more serious agreements and could not receive them.

The role of diplomats at the Nuland level is to probe the soil to reach concrete agreements, to reveal the position of a negotiating partner early so that concessions can be squeezed out of it more efficiently. In this regard, her rigidity and intransigence, combined with the ability to subtly feel the limit of her capabilities, to understand when to stop, because further pressure is counterproductive, are irreplaceable qualities.

Let me remind you that during the meeting between Putin and Biden in Geneva (also requested by the United States), the parties exchanged views on key issues of the global agenda, outlined their positions, stated the existence of numerous disagreements and agreed to negotiate further. It must be assumed that some contacts (at the level of embassies and meetings of representatives of the Russian Foreign Ministry and the State Department) were maintained before. However, the arrival of Nuland testifies to the fact that the pace of progress towards a comprehensive settlement did not suit the Americans, and they made an attempt to speed up the process.

It is no secret that even under Trump, the United States shifted the center of gravity of its foreign policy to China. Trump, however, tried, by increasing pressure on the Celestial Empire, to keep his positions in Europe intact. But there were also nuances here. Trump's foreign policy assumed that the main burden (including financial) of maintaining the status quo on the Old Continent would fall on the EU. Since only the old members were creditworthy in the European Union, Trump was ready to give up American control over Eastern Europe in their favor, provided that they did not seriously change anything in the containment policy towards Russia. That is, Europe had to contain Russia while the United States dealt with China.

By the end of the Trump presidency, it became clear that this venture was a failure. Europe did not have sufficient resources for any effective independent containment of Russia. In addition, the EU was openly afraid to enter into open confrontation with the Kremlin without US support. At the same time, Washington could no longer cancel the confrontation with China.

The only way out of this situation is to come to an agreement with Russia. The task of the United States is to achieve, through minimal and insignificant concessions, Moscow's neutrality, favorable to America, in Washington's confrontation with Beijing. Serious efforts aimed at creating a negative public opinion towards China in Russia have been undertaken for a long time. Emphasizing the fact of real Chinese global economic expansion, media and opinion leaders affiliated with the intelligence services and the US State Department disseminate three types of information:

1. China is going to colonize Russian Siberia and the Far East, pushing Russia out of Asia beyond the Urals. (Alternatively, China took control of Central Asia and drove Moscow out of there.)

2. China is leading in tandem with the Kremlin, which is forced to blindly follow instructions from Beijing, because it cannot solve a single problem on its own.

3. The interests of the growing economies of China and Russia collide all over the world, with China winning competitions in Africa, Asia, Latin America, and even Belarus.

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To be continued...
 

weig2000

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... Continued

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All this has nothing to do with reality, but it has become quite firmly established in the brains of not the largest, but very active segment of Russian society. However, the state power of Russia proceeds from the need for pragmatic cooperation with China, with which today there are no irreconcilable contradictions, and with which we have a common enemy - the United States, which is trying to disassemble Russia and China for parts in any sequence.

Realizing that it will not be possible to achieve a change in Russian policy only with the help of mass media pressure on public opinion, since the summer of this year, the United States has been actively probing the issue of the amount of concessions necessary in order to persuade Moscow to adjust its position on China. However, Russia pretends that it does not understand the hints and does not give any intelligible answer to the veiled US requests, limiting itself to reports that all people are brothers, and Moscow is ready to be friends with everyone on the basis of equality and mutual benefit.

In Washington, they tried to get the initiative in the bargaining from Russia in order to gain an advantage, pretending that they did not really want to, but since you already insist so, then we can talk. But they did not wait, and time is running out. So Nuland went to Moscow to stir up Russia, and at the same time to understand how much more concessions Moscow would demand.

I am sure that she had the right to hint that if American interests in Asia are fully taken into account, that in the European direction (and even in the post-Soviet space as a whole) Russia can count on restoring its sphere of influence within the borders of the former USSR. Washington could also hint that it does not object to the transfer of control to Moscow over the Eastern European states that were once part of the Internal Affairs Directorate and CMEA, but there will be difficulties with the EU, of which these countries are members, so Moscow will have to negotiate with Europe on its own.

Here is the old idea - to knock Moscow and Old Europe head-on in the struggle for control over the Young Europeans and the post-Soviet space, and while they are busy with each other (and dependent on the US position), untie their hands in the Chinese direction.

The response to American inclinations was given even before Nuland's arrival in Moscow. Formally dedicated to Ukraine, Medvedev's preemptive article informs the Americans that the Kremlin is well aware that reducing their activity in Europe and the Middle East is not a concession, but a vital necessity. They can go wherever they want, Russia will not kick after them. But it will not help them to save face: those who inherited in Eastern Europe must also clean up after themselves.

Let me emphasize that the article is only formally devoted to Ukraine, so as not to frighten all our Eastern European brothers at once (you never know what they will do with fear). In fact, this is the answer to Americans on the entire spectrum of global problems. You can stay where you were called. You can leave where you were not invited. Russia will take into account the fact that tensions have been reduced, but is not going to pay anything for what America will have to do anyway.
If the United States is not yet ready for such a formulation of the question, Russia can wait.

Actually, after that, Nuland had nothing to talk about in Moscow, but the program of the visit had to be completed. They say that she was leaving sad. Obviously I was thinking how to explain to the leadership of the "Oslov" that there was nothing to do, it was necessary to accept the Russian position as it is. They do not believe that the American era is over and they think that they are still very highly quoted on the global political market.

Well, let them rush through the free market and see who will offer what price.
 

hashtagpls

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I am sure that she had the right to hint that if American interests in Asia are fully taken into account, that in the European direction (and even in the post-Soviet space as a whole) Russia can count on restoring its sphere of influence within the borders of the former USSR. Washington could also hint that it does not object to the transfer of control to Moscow over the Eastern European states that were once part of the Internal Affairs Directorate and CMEA, but there will be difficulties with the EU, of which these countries are members, so Moscow will have to negotiate with Europe on its own.
Anglo leaders appear to believe that nations and people can be traded like Pokemon cards, but why is anglo america so fixated on Asia? Specifically east Asia?
It can't be solely because of the weaboos and their Waifu body pillows in the CIA/State Department; i'd posit it down to Asia being the richest, high-tech part of the planet and the anglos, behaving like the mafia, want to continue the enslavement and dominion over asian races, nations and bodies.

Indeed, anglo america owes its research & tech to asian migrants; without which, anglo america goes back to being just like another france: upstart european caucasoid nation living off the wealth of african/LATAM/Asian nations.
 

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