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weig2000

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While we've been constantly hearing the drumbeat of warmongering among the neocons, a somber sense of realism has also quietly set in among certain quarters. The calls for new spheres of influence among the US, Russia and China in a new brave world reflect such nascent realization.

Leave aside the specifics of how the world is divided up among the three spheres of influence, the latest National Interest article is but one example:

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Incidentally, Graham Allison of the "The Thucydides Trap" fame also published an
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of similar nature in Foreign Affairs last year.

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AssassinsMace

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You can see that the West is trying to create a narrative that doesn't fit with what is really happening. You have China regulating tech that the West is talking about doing themselves but the West charges China is retreating back to communism trying to scare international corporations from investing and doing business with China. Then you have Evergrande where the West proclaims China is collapsing to again scare everyone from doing business in China. Then you have a Pentagon head resigning because he's says China is far ahead in artificial intelligence and the US is doing nothing in their own R&D. Today you see all these articles trying to calm down worried Americans that the US isn't behind. And here in the video in the link above, the West is worried about Russia and China allying so they make up fake concerns from anonymous sources that Russian is now just as concerned about China on the same things. The West as I've said before thinks everyone is blindly loyal to them that they will break any relations they have with China if the West calls for it but there's something so simply keeping that from happening. China is a huge consumer market for the world and with the potential of being a larger market than the all the West combined. The West needs money in order to maintained their 1st world lifestyle that they showoff and want to be the envy of the world. They're all in debt because they don't make enough money by their own devices to pay for that lavish lifestyle. They need customers beyond their own countries to buy their products. The rest of the world envious of the Western lifestyle want that for themselves too. The West doesn't have the money to give them to not do business with China so all they have is hanging on to is believing people loving them more for the world to follow their orders. Do you think that's a sound plan? Some Westerners still ignorantly believe Westerners are the only people buying things from other countries which is why they ignorantly think they have this power over the world. I've heard Americans think there would no jobs in China without Westerners buying from China. So for thousands of years there were no jobs in China for people to make money for themselves to live until the US came along...? And you wonder why they're worried they're falling behind China... Oh yeah it has be because China is doing something underhanded and stealing money because the US has all the money in the world and because China has some, it must be because they got it illegally.
 

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You can see that the West is trying to create a narrative that doesn't fit with what is really happening. You have China regulating tech that the West is talking about doing themselves but the West charges China is retreating back to communism trying to scare international corporations from investing and doing business with China. Then you have Evergrande where the West proclaims China is collapsing to again scare everyone from doing business in China. Then you have a Pentagon head resigning because he's says China is far ahead in artificial intelligence and the US is doing nothing in their own R&D. Today you see all these articles trying to calm down worried Americans that the US isn't behind. And here in the video in the link above, the West is worried about Russia and China allying so they make up fake concerns from anonymous sources that Russian is now just as concerned about China on the same things. The West as I've said before thinks everyone is blindly loyal to them that they will break any relations they have with China if the West calls for it but there's something so simply keeping that from happening. China is a huge consumer market for the world and with the potential of being a larger market than the all the West combined. The West needs money in order to maintained their 1st world lifestyle that they showoff and want to be the envy of the world. They're all in debt because they don't make enough money by their own devices to pay for that lavish lifestyle. They need customers beyond their own countries to buy their products. The rest of the world envious of the Western lifestyle want that for themselves too. The West doesn't have the money to give them to not do business with China so all they have is hanging on to is believing people loving them more for the world to follow their orders. Do you think that's a sound plan? Some Westerners still ignorantly believe Westerners are the only people buying things from other countries which is why they ignorantly think they have this power over the world. I've heard Americans think there would no jobs in China without Westerners buying from China. So for thousands of years there were no jobs in China for people to make money for themselves to live until the US came along...? And you wonder why they're worried they're falling behind China... Oh yeah it has be because China is doing something underhanded and stealing money because the US has all the money in the world and because China has some, it must be because they got it illegally.
A F...NG MEN.
 

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You can see that the West is trying to create a narrative that doesn't fit with what is really happening. You have China regulating tech that the West is talking about doing themselves but the West charges China is retreating back to communism trying to scare international corporations from investing and doing business with China. Then you have Evergrande where the West proclaims China is collapsing to again scare everyone from doing business in China. Then you have a Pentagon head resigning because he's says China is far ahead in artificial intelligence and the US is doing nothing in their own R&D. Today you see all these articles trying to calm down worried Americans that the US isn't behind. And here in the video in the link above, the West is worried about Russia and China allying so they make up fake concerns from anonymous sources that Russian is now just as concerned about China on the same things. The West as I've said before thinks everyone is blindly loyal to them that they will break any relations they have with China if the West calls for it but there's something so simply keeping that from happening. China is a huge consumer market for the world and with the potential of being a larger market than the all the West combined. The West needs money in order to maintained their 1st world lifestyle that they showoff and want to be the envy of the world. They're all in debt because they don't make enough money by their own devices to pay for that lavish lifestyle. They need customers beyond their own countries to buy their products. The rest of the world envious of the Western lifestyle want that for themselves too. The West doesn't have the money to give them to not do business with China so all they have is hanging on to is believing people loving them more for the world to follow their orders. Do you think that's a sound plan? Some Westerners still ignorantly believe Westerners are the only people buying things from other countries which is why they ignorantly think they have this power over the world. I've heard Americans think there would no jobs in China without Westerners buying from China. So for thousands of years there were no jobs in China for people to make money for themselves to live until the US came along...? And you wonder why they're worried they're falling behind China... Oh yeah it has be because China is doing something underhanded and stealing money because the US has all the money in the world and because China has some, it must be because they got it illegally.

We cannot learn anything from stupidity.

We can learn what not to do, which we probably can instinctively figure out already. How to proceed is much more trickier.

This anti-China campaign, or anti-world propaganda campaign, from the Western media, it is very difficult to see what it wishes to do.

It does not stop the rise of China

It does not stop other countries from doing business, such as Nordstream-2.

If this propaganda campaign is not for foreign audiences, then the target market has to be the gullible American public.

But that is false too. The propaganda cannot control the hearts and minds of the so called gullible American public, with their Black Lives Matter movement, and their storming of the government buildings due to disbelief of election shenanigans. Also, the American public knows those are stupid wars and are glad America abandoned Afghanistan. They don't want Mexican immigrants, why would the base want Afghan immigrants? :D

Seems like that is America right now.

Even the propaganda is rudderless.

At least we still have Paris. At least we still have football.

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You can see that the West is trying to create a narrative that doesn't fit with what is really happening. You have China regulating tech that the West is talking about doing themselves but the West charges China is retreating back to communism trying to scare international corporations from investing and doing business with China. Then you have Evergrande where the West proclaims China is collapsing to again scare everyone from doing business in China. Then you have a Pentagon head resigning because he's says China is far ahead in artificial intelligence and the US is doing nothing in their own R&D. Today you see all these articles trying to calm down worried Americans that the US isn't behind. And here in the video in the link above, the West is worried about Russia and China allying so they make up fake concerns from anonymous sources that Russian is now just as concerned about China on the same things. The West as I've said before thinks everyone is blindly loyal to them that they will break any relations they have with China if the West calls for it but there's something so simply keeping that from happening. China is a huge consumer market for the world and with the potential of being a larger market than the all the West combined. The West needs money in order to maintained their 1st world lifestyle that they showoff and want to be the envy of the world. They're all in debt because they don't make enough money by their own devices to pay for that lavish lifestyle. They need customers beyond their own countries to buy their products. The rest of the world envious of the Western lifestyle want that for themselves too. The West doesn't have the money to give them to not do business with China so all they have is hanging on to is believing people loving them more for the world to follow their orders. Do you think that's a sound plan? Some Westerners still ignorantly believe Westerners are the only people buying things from other countries which is why they ignorantly think they have this power over the world. I've heard Americans think there would no jobs in China without Westerners buying from China. So for thousands of years there were no jobs in China for people to make money for themselves to live until the US came along...? And you wonder why they're worried they're falling behind China... Oh yeah it has be because China is doing something underhanded and stealing money because the US has all the money in the world and because China has some, it must be because they got it illegally.
@AssassinsMace Sir nicely done!, And If you may I can add one more, the fear of retaliation! They had done some unspeakable thing during their time as colonizer and those wounds had become scars that is difficult to rid off. The developing world were proud that one of their owned had risen up peacefully to challenge the established order. For the west That narrative needed to be squashed before others followed suit , that is the reason for their wokeness (BLM and the destruction of statues) trying to redefine and rewrote history to cater to their agenda ,cause for us here in Asia, Africa and Latin America, China had become a shinning sample to emulate.
 

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An interesting proposal, this article suggests dividing the world into three spheres of influence and no one touch someone else's sphere. They are:
Under such an agreement, the United States would retain the largest sphere of influence, including the entire Western Hemisphere, Western Europe, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand, which would remain protected by the U.S. “nuclear umbrella.” The Russian sphere of influence would include the former Soviet republics, Serbia, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Libya. China’s sphere of influence might consist of North Korea, Taiwan, the South China Sea, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the four Marxist/Communist nations in southeast Asia and around half a dozen African nations currently led by Marxist/Communist dictators.
This means the US makes an retreat all across Asia and only keeping Japan, everything else in far east becomes China's sphere of influence.

This sort of talk seems to be surfacing a lot lately, which I imagine is why Taiwan and Japan are getting so nervous.
 

emblem21

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They're not getting what this "sphere of influence" means. They keep nothing.
Indeed, if they are kicked out of asia, they get nothing as well and any of their allies in Asia are going to be very scared from now in because not only are Russia and China just next to their nations and ready to go hard because damn hell they started the fight, but the USA right now is so damn untrustworthy that really, their is no point in trading with them as they are right now since their dollars are only so far away from being complete toilet paper which means no one is going to want to trade for those. They cannot expect China to be their vending machine if they treat China like crap every single time and not expect China to want some serious compensation for their actions
 

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