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MortyandRick

Junior Member
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In the US, the people I see that are really racist to Chinese is poor Blacks. I just dont see it that much with Whites, or don’t recognize it, I always feel with Whites it’s more about money or competition.
I think that's an accurate statement from my experience in the US as well. However i do agree with the other post that whites produce systemic racism to keep their competitive advantage and profits. That's the overarching reason why they are trying to suppress China or any other country that has the potential to reach parity.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I remember my feelings very clearly during these days. I felt Fear, that Trump would launch a nuke, there was a few articles about the nuclear protocol in America which made me feel actual fear.

I learned that Trump, for any or no reason at all, could order a nuclear strike anywhere, and there is no legal way to stop it from immediately happening.

I remember thinking: I hope the guy at the button doesnt push it if that order is given, because Trump might want power so bad that he would do it.

I really hope back channels exist.

And that's exactly the purpose of those articles, to spread fear and demonize Trump.

As we've clearly seen, Trump could NOT initiate nuclear war by himself. In fact, he couldn't even command the National Guard.

So articles that claimed he could do this or that are pure fabrication.

Why did the US media suddenly attack Trump in unison? Because he threatened the safety of the elite. 600,000 Americans died from covid and Fox was still defending him. A few hundred peaceful demonstrators break into the Capitol Hill, and suddenly Trump is public enemy number one.

Isn't it obvious by now whom your media serves? Certainly not the people!
 

supersnoop

Major
Registered Member
I do things to help in my country.

I think I know why some regular people are scared or threatened by China.

People vaguely known we have f*ked up China in the past, though certainly the Opium wars are not taught in School. Nor was colonialism really.

They are scared of two things…

1. China might want revenge on us, they think this because if the situation was reversed THEY might want revenge.

2. They think China could be come so powerful that they could basically “command and conquer” the whole world. They are scared of being shown on CCTV doing their native dances for Chinese tourists. This is because they don't undersrand China or know it’s history, we don’t even know our own history.

In the US, the people I see that are really racist to Chinese is poor Blacks. I just dont see it that much with Whites, or don’t recognize it, I always feel with Whites it’s more about money or competition.

Of course, I am in California not Alabama, and I don’t read much US media, so reality might be different from my experiences.
You are thinking of open in-your-face racism like calling people "stupid chink", "dirty chinaman" or whatever. Of course, that is not really common.

What is the most troublesome is the insidious racism that Chinese face. The most common one we see around the world is related to property/real estate ownership. Basically every western country is complaining of Chinese investors buying up properties, driving up prices, and basically taking the land away from "True Americans/Canadians/Brits/Australians etc."

The question nobody is asking, why is this seen as "wrong"? Because the sad, simple answer is racism.

Why shouldn't Chinese people be able to enjoy the fruits of their success? What is wrong about that? Is that not the essence of the capitalist system? In an export driven country like China, their success is driven by the consumption in western countries. The Chinese glass factory owner is rich because of all the iPhones being purchased every single year, it is not nefarious or dishonest.

So the next step is the media twisting some other stories to make them seem more "evil". They are exploiting children, ethnic minorities, destroying the environment, etc. etc. Do we ever really ask an average person, "What do you think is going on in China that XXX is happening?". Taking child labour for example, people seem to have a comic book perception of what is going on. Like the Communist soldiers going into a village and rounding up the children to go work in a factory. Not the much tamer reality that these kids are from poor families and factory wages are decent. Is the manager an evil taskmaster looking to exploit children? Or perhaps they look the other way because they know the life back home for them might be worse? I am not condoning child labour here, just throwing out a hypothetical that people don't often consider.

So we have so much time and effort spent to shape this idea of how evil China is, but then just because you say "but you know, not all Chinese are like this", and it's supposed to make everything okay? If I drive a nice car around, are people more likely to think "Another rich Chinese asshole", or "a fine example of a local born kid of hardworking immgrants"?
 

solarz

Brigadier
Taking child labour for example, people seem to have a comic book perception of what is going on. Like the Communist soldiers going into a village and rounding up the children to go work in a factory. Not the much tamer reality that these kids are from poor families and factory wages are decent. Is the manager an evil taskmaster looking to exploit children? Or perhaps they look the other way because they know the life back home for them might be worse? I am not condoning child labour here, just throwing out a hypothetical that people don't often consider.

The most ridiculous thing about the outrage over child labor is, if those kids can't work, what is their family going to eat? No outraged westerner ever thinks about that.

In any case, I'm glad China has moved beyond this stage of development, and even the poorest families can now afford to send their children to school instead of work.
 

Andy1974

Senior Member
Registered Member
You are thinking of open in-your-face racism like calling people "stupid chink", "dirty chinaman" or whatever. Of course, that is not really common.

What is the most troublesome is the insidious racism that Chinese face. The most common one we see around the world is related to property/real estate ownership. Basically every western country is complaining of Chinese investors buying up properties, driving up prices, and basically taking the land away from "True Americans/Canadians/Brits/Australians etc."

The question nobody is asking, why is this seen as "wrong"? Because the sad, simple answer is racism.

Why shouldn't Chinese people be able to enjoy the fruits of their success? What is wrong about that? Is that not the essence of the capitalist system? In an export driven country like China, their success is driven by the consumption in western countries. The Chinese glass factory owner is rich because of all the iPhones being purchased every single year, it is not nefarious or dishonest.

So the next step is the media twisting some other stories to make them seem more "evil". They are exploiting children, ethnic minorities, destroying the environment, etc. etc. Do we ever really ask an average person, "What do you think is going on in China that XXX is happening?". Taking child labour for example, people seem to have a comic book perception of what is going on. Like the Communist soldiers going into a village and rounding up the children to go work in a factory. Not the much tamer reality that these kids are from poor families and factory wages are decent. Is the manager an evil taskmaster looking to exploit children? Or perhaps they look the other way because they know the life back home for them might be worse? I am not condoning child labour here, just throwing out a hypothetical that people don't often consider.

So we have so much time and effort spent to shape this idea of how evil China is, but then just because you say "but you know, not all Chinese are like this", and it's supposed to make everything okay? If I drive a nice car around, are people more likely to think "Another rich Chinese asshole", or "a fine example of a local born kid of hardworking immgrants"?
Yes I do see what you are saying.

We have to be careful not to mix up racism and jealousy, greed etc.

The tech companies are full of Chinese and Asians, they hire them because they are better educated and harder working than white US graduates. That creates hate but it’s not racism.

In Texas they hate the Californians moving there and taking the jobs and putting up house prices, but that’s not racism. I just returned from a year there and trust me it’s come up in every conversation.

No one would think badly of an Asian driving a luxury car around here, success like that is admired.
 

caudaceus

Senior Member
Registered Member
Yes I do see what you are saying.

We have to be careful not to mix up racism and jealousy, greed etc.

The tech companies are full of Chinese and Asians, they hire them because they are better educated and harder working than white US graduates. That creates hate but it’s not racism.

In Texas they hate the Californians moving there and taking the jobs and putting up house prices, but that’s not racism. I just returned from a year there and trust me it’s come up in every conversation.

No one would think badly of an Asian driving a luxury car around here, success like that is admired.
That and Chinese buying properties are visible (property visits, ads in Chinese, etc). Nobody would know on the other hand if properties are bought up by investment funds. Their analyst won't have to answer ad or visiting properties. They are just discussing with developers directly and buying in bulks.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
I do things to help in my country.

I think I know why some regular people are scared or threatened by China.

People vaguely known we have f*ked up China in the past, though certainly the Opium wars are not taught in School. Nor was colonialism really.

They are scared of two things…

1. China might want revenge on us, they think this because if the situation was reversed THEY might want revenge.

2. They think China could be come so powerful that they could basically “command and conquer” the whole world. They are scared of being shown on CCTV doing their native dances for Chinese tourists. This is because they don't undersrand China or know it’s history, we don’t even know our own history.

In the US, the people I see that are really racist to Chinese is poor Blacks. I just dont see it that much with Whites, or don’t recognize it, I always feel with Whites it’s more about money or competition.

Of course, I am in California not Alabama, and I don’t read much US media, so reality might be different from my experiences.
" I always feel with Whites it’s more about money or competition." Is precisely why Blacks are racist towards their fellow minority, the Chinese for the same sad reasons.
 

Bellum_Romanum

Brigadier
Registered Member
You are thinking of open in-your-face racism like calling people "stupid chink", "dirty chinaman" or whatever. Of course, that is not really common.

What is the most troublesome is the insidious racism that Chinese face. The most common one we see around the world is related to property/real estate ownership. Basically every western country is complaining of Chinese investors buying up properties, driving up prices, and basically taking the land away from "True Americans/Canadians/Brits/Australians etc."

The question nobody is asking, why is this seen as "wrong"? Because the sad, simple answer is racism.

Why shouldn't Chinese people be able to enjoy the fruits of their success? What is wrong about that? Is that not the essence of the capitalist system? In an export driven country like China, their success is driven by the consumption in western countries. The Chinese glass factory owner is rich because of all the iPhones being purchased every single year, it is not nefarious or dishonest.

So the next step is the media twisting some other stories to make them seem more "evil". They are exploiting children, ethnic minorities, destroying the environment, etc. etc. Do we ever really ask an average person, "What do you think is going on in China that XXX is happening?". Taking child labour for example, people seem to have a comic book perception of what is going on. Like the Communist soldiers going into a village and rounding up the children to go work in a factory. Not the much tamer reality that these kids are from poor families and factory wages are decent. Is the manager an evil taskmaster looking to exploit children? Or perhaps they look the other way because they know the life back home for them might be worse? I am not condoning child labour here, just throwing out a hypothetical that people don't often consider.

So we have so much time and effort spent to shape this idea of how evil China is, but then just because you say "but you know, not all Chinese are like this", and it's supposed to make everything okay? If I drive a nice car around, are people more likely to think "Another rich Chinese asshole", or "a fine example of a local born kid of hardworking immgrants"?
It's the same unfortunate mostly Anglo-Saxon sods that complain that their country is being invaded and priced out by these darn Chinese as if the Chinese people in countries like Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and the U.S. were not a part and parcel of the early histories of these countries. I mean, these people priced their houses above market value and were more than happy collecting their windfall only to then turn around and spite the very customers, buyers for supposedly making the value of home ownership increasingly tenuous for their precious little beavers and as you said these are the same people who espouses the virtue of the free market. It's only virtuous and free market if the Anglo-Saxons are the one profiting from it.
 
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