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Nobaron

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Xsizor said:
Do you know why Japanese, despite being youths, decided to sip that special sake and die for their emperor with their Kamikaze and stuff? Was it mere nationalism? No, a culture was created and employed to make them do it.
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It sounds like a logic americans would give.

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Similarly, it takes special "convincing" to get someone to blow themselves up. Taliban has achieved it using religion. "We fight for our religion, those at Kabul are siding with the heretic Americans" - would be the highlight line in all of their "preparation" sessions.
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It always took special convincing to ask people to sacrifice their lives. Why americans went to WW2?
"Religious" is a poor excuse. It is matter of faith. A faith that can be on some superior power or system. Just like americans believe that their system is superior to everyone.
If you cant withstand their point of view, how do you expect other people to take your comment ?
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I'm not naive to sit back and believe that they will abandon this culture that they built up after they achieve their goals. It doesn't work like that. That indoctrination and brainwash can bite China later. This is exactly how ISIS formed in Iraq. The ideology and culture that provides them with power ( like the drug pervitin employed by nazis) will stay, fester and mutate.
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But how is that in your right to comment about? I don't really care who blow himself up as long as he does it in his own house. So far that is working out real good for me.

It's not your,mine or anyone else's right to comment about another country's matter. No matter what it is. This is how americans justified their interference in every bed room matters of other countries.
It's neither your's to be naive,to sit back,to believe about something that has nothing to do with you. Let alone believing they will abandon it. This how how americans self victimize themselves on other parts of the world & starts whining about someone else hitting them back first.

Coming back to China dealing with Taliban, i believe CCP exactly knows what to do as much as i know because i have lived with these people all my life.
 
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Nobaron said:
It sounds like a logic americans would give.


It always took special convincing to ask people to sacrifice their lives. Why americans went to WW2?
"Religious" is a poor excuse. It is matter of faith. A faith that can be on some superior power or system. Just like americans believe that their system is superior to everyone.
If you cant withstand their point of view, how do you expect other people to take your comment ?

But how is that in your right to comment about? I don't really care who blow himself up as long as he does it in his own house. So far that is working out real good for me.

It's not your,mine or anyone else's right to comment about another country's matter. No matter what it is. This is how americans justified their interference in every bed room matters of other countries.
It's neither your's to be naive,to sit back,to believe about something that has nothing to do with you. Let alone believing they will abandon it. This how how americans self victimize themselves on other parts of the world & starts whining about someone else hitting them back first.

Coming back to China dealing with Taliban, i believe CCP exactly knows what to do as much as i know because i have lived with these people all my life.
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Drawing bad parallels here. America, WW2, white supremacy... A lot of unnecessary reaches.

I merely expressed my distrust of the foundational ideologies that empower Taliban and its staying power. Nothing you said contradicts or even attempt to counter it.
PRC and the CCP is as foreign to the ideology as Americans who fought it. That's it. Period.
 
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plawolf said:
But without foreign invaders to fight, hopefully the Taliban will be much less hostile to develop and education (for boys at least) as a means to improving the living standards of themselves and their families. No one wants to live in the stone ages.
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I wouldn't hold my breath. But i guess that will worth a try while guaranteeing that we don't wanna have to do anything with their internal matters.
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but if their grip on power is not threatened, of course they will want better living standards. And China is uniquely qualified to deliver said development without the risk of regime change and coloured revolutions.
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That is key to everything.
I think before everything, China should make one thing clear.
China doesn't want to do anything regarding Afghan's internal matter.
But in return, Afghan must leave China alone in it's own internal matters( we all know what i am talking about) without making any trouble.

They respect clear talks. Political poetry wont go through their head.
 
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Xsizor said:
Drawing bad parallels here. America, WW2, white supremacy... A lot of unnecessary reaches.

I merely expressed my distrust of the foundational ideologies that empower Taliban and its staying power. Nothing you said contradicts or even attempt to counter it.
PRC and the CCP is as foreign to the ideology as Americans who fought it. That's it. Period.
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Not exactly.
You comment "I'm not naive to sit back and believe that they will abandon this culture that they built up after they achieve their goals."
You try saying it in front of them, you will know what i am talking about.

There are no bad parallels. As i said, its matter of faith, some believe in superior god or gods, some believe in superior systems. Ultimately everyone tries to prove what they believe into is correct.

Neither PRC nor CCP has to familiarize with the ideology, unless it wants to caught up in the universe's greatest mess. Americans have problem to get into people's bed room to make sure everything is ok. Before that ideology it fought with Communist Russia.

What PRC need to do is to keep doing what it has done. Conduct business & shake hands. Ideology of another country has never been CCP's concern. It must keep it that way.
 
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Nobaron said:
What PRC need to do is to keep doing what it has done. Conduct business & shake hands. Ideology of another country has never been CCP's concern. It must keep it that way.
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True. As long as they dont try to expand to China, then the PRC doesnt care about their ideology. For all they care, Taliban could believe in Aliens conquering the Earth. As long as they dont interfere in China's internal matters, then the Taliban can keep believing in whatever they want.

Key points for China are:
1 Stability in Afghanistan
2 Keep the US out
3 Afghanistan joining BRI
4 Win-win economic deals
5 Cooperate wirh Iran, Russia and Pakistan to eliminate any US (or other western countries) influencing it


The basis for all these things is respecting each other's sovereignty and being a good neighbour
 
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Xsizor said:
I'm not naive to sit back and believe that they will abandon this culture that they built up after they achieve their goals. It doesn't work like that. That indoctrination and brainwash can bite China later. This is exactly how ISIS formed in Iraq. The ideology and culture that provides them with power ( like the drug pervitin employed by nazis) will stay, fester and mutate.
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You prefer US bases in Afghanistan?

ISIS were an American terrorist organisation that were created to counter Assad/Iran. As soon as the American support stopped, so did the movement. Not the same as the Taliban which are an Afghan resistance group.
 
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So what US industry will China counter-ban then?

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Now, the White House is considering an effective region-wide ban on polysilicon from Xinjiang, according to the four sources in the industry and on Capitol Hill with knowledge of administration plans.
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Though the agency is weighing a region-wide ban, it could also opt for narrower action against specific Xinjiang-based factories or companies, two of the sources said
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Man this is a farce. We have known since a year ago that the US planned to ban the solar industry in Xinjiang. Just do it already and get over it. The whole world knows the real reasons behind this ban

China must ensure that it's counter ban will destroy an entire industry worth in the US as retaliation. If China lets this slide then you know that the EU will soon jump in at the opportunity to get this industry back
 
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voyager1 said:
Big.
So what US industry will China counter-ban then?

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Man this is a farce. We have known since a year ago that the US planned to ban the solar industry in Xinjiang. Just do it already and get over it. The whole world knows the real reasons behind this ban

China must ensure that it's counter ban will destroy an entire industry worth in the US as retaliation. If China lets this slide then you know that the EU will soon jump in at the opportunity to get this industry back
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apple, boeing, tesla
 
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quantumlight said:
apple, boeing, tesla
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Tesla is not happening.
Apple is not happening.
Boeing could happen but I doubt it. It would be a highly disproportionate response. China is keeping that card for other purposes.

Honestly this is an extremely complex matter and would have to be studied extensively by the Commerce, Foreign Affairs ministries together.

However I am guessing that, if I could see that coming from a year ago, the Chinese Gov also did and thus already created its own countermeasures ready to go from day 1.
 
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