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SampanViking

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I am just going to voice a few opinions on the West's Xinjiang policy and really to take a look at the whole disingenuous nature of it.
I am very grateful to You Tuber called Barrie who runs a channel called "Best China Info".
He recently posted a video of a conference from 2014 of a Uighur Separatist and a Tibeaten Separatist (both US funded) where they called for a joint insurrection against China.

This reminded me of two things:
1) Plans are not cooked up and implemented overnight
2) Strange sounding claims in Syria, which also did not clearly fit the facts.

What this comes down too, is that to sell and promote a narrative like "Xinjiang Genocide" is neither simple or straight forward. The implementation requires the priming and co-ordination of dozens of disparate actors and a narrative; once set in motion, is nearly impossible to change or re-write.

My conclusion, is that Xinjiang is a plan gone disastrously wrong. Looking from the perspective of 2014, the original road map is not to difficult. Via Afghanistan and Turkey, to transport thousands of Uighur Jihadi's to Syria for training and battle hardening. Simultaneously, to start cranking up unrest in Xinjiang to force a harsh crack down by Beijing.
Syria was supposed to be a stunning victory, after which thousands of Uighur "Pro Democracy Fighters" plus other new friends would have been returned to Xinjiang via Afghanistan and the US Quatermaster to accelerate an armed uprising against Uighur Genocide. In this context, the Genocide narrative makes sense.
It all however went horribly wrong. The Syrian Jihad has been crushed, the "Pro Democracy Fighters" exposed for the Jihadi's that they are and many of them now either dead or hemmed up in Idlib, broken and defeated men. In addition, Xinjiang has been peacefully stabilised.

The narrative however has been set and trying to change it will just descend into a chaotic train wreck!

IS the US stated intention to withdraw from Afghanistan an admission that the game is up and they have no purpose staying there and would be very vulnerable if they did? Guess we find out in September.
 

voyager1

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I am just going to voice a few opinions on the West's Xinjiang policy and really to take a look at the whole disingenuous nature of it.
I am very grateful to You Tuber called Barrie who runs a channel called "Best China Info".
He recently posted a video of a conference from 2014 of a Uighur Separatist and a Tibeaten Separatist (both US funded) where they called for a joint insurrection against China.

This reminded me of two things:
1) Plans are not cooked up and implemented overnight
2) Strange sounding claims in Syria, which also did not clearly fit the facts.

What this comes down too, is that to sell and promote a narrative like "Xinjiang Genocide" is neither simple or straight forward. The implementation requires the priming and co-ordination of dozens of disparate actors and a narrative; once set in motion, is nearly impossible to change or re-write.

My conclusion, is that Xinjiang is a plan gone disastrously wrong. Looking from the perspective of 2014, the original road map is not to difficult. Via Afghanistan and Turkey, to transport thousands of Uighur Jihadi's to Syria for training and battle hardening. Simultaneously, to start cranking up unrest in Xinjiang to force a harsh crack down by Beijing.
Syria was supposed to be a stunning victory, after which thousands of Uighur "Pro Democracy Fighters" plus other new friends would have been returned to Xinjiang via Afghanistan and the US Quatermaster to accelerate an armed uprising against Uighur Genocide. In this context, the Genocide narrative makes sense.
It all however went horribly wrong. The Syrian Jihad has been crushed, the "Pro Democracy Fighters" exposed for the Jihadi's that they are and many of them now either dead or hemmed up in Idlib, broken and defeated men. In addition, Xinjiang has been peacefully stabilised.

The narrative however has been set and trying to change it will just descend into a chaotic train wreck!

IS the US stated intention to withdraw from Afghanistan an admission that the game is up and they have no purpose staying there and would be very vulnerable if they did? Guess we find out in September.
I dont even think that the US will properly withdraw from Afghanistan.

They will probably keep tens of thousands of private contractors to for "security". There is no way the US will leave Afghanistan so that Pakistan and eventually China get it
 

hashtagpls

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I dont even think that the US will properly withdraw from Afghanistan.

They will probably keep tens of thousands of private contractors to for "security". There is no way the US will leave Afghanistan so that Pakistan and eventually China get it
Military contractors are just easy targets, look at the US killing Wagner forces and getting away with it; similarly nothing's stopping China from droning and wasting US private contractors who work too closely with terrorist elements.
 

Gatekeeper

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Such a shunning example of what a ‘rule of law’ country looks like, declaring past deals ‘unlawful’ retrospectively because of a new National interest law only just passed.

I would say China needs to cite this behaviour as a reason for why it will demand exorbitant penalty clauses and ruinous collateral demands on any future deals struck with Australian government(s) and pass laws requiring the same on any and all commercial deals Chinese companies strike with Australian companies.

Where's those 'rule of law' members when you need them. Remember how they harp on about the 'rule of law' in the SCS. Until someone pointed out the U.S. has never signed the UNLOS. Lol

The Australians were ok with Chinese money all the time under Rudd. Now looks like even the 'Chinese' members of the Labour party bought the cool aid.

Australian foreign policy

Labor pushes Morrison government to clarify whether it views Xinjiang human rights abuses as genocide

Penny Wong calls for Australia to consider targeted sanctions on foreign entities directly profiting from forced Uyghur labour

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I am just going to voice a few opinions on the West's Xinjiang policy and really to take a look at the whole disingenuous nature of it.
I am very grateful to You Tuber called Barrie who runs a channel called "Best China Info".
He recently posted a video of a conference from 2014 of a Uighur Separatist and a Tibeaten Separatist (both US funded) where they called for a joint insurrection against China.

This reminded me of two things:
1) Plans are not cooked up and implemented overnight
2) Strange sounding claims in Syria, which also did not clearly fit the facts.

What this comes down too, is that to sell and promote a narrative like "Xinjiang Genocide" is neither simple or straight forward. The implementation requires the priming and co-ordination of dozens of disparate actors and a narrative; once set in motion, is nearly impossible to change or re-write.

My conclusion, is that Xinjiang is a plan gone disastrously wrong. Looking from the perspective of 2014, the original road map is not to difficult. Via Afghanistan and Turkey, to transport thousands of Uighur Jihadi's to Syria for training and battle hardening. Simultaneously, to start cranking up unrest in Xinjiang to force a harsh crack down by Beijing.
Syria was supposed to be a stunning victory, after which thousands of Uighur "Pro Democracy Fighters" plus other new friends would have been returned to Xinjiang via Afghanistan and the US Quatermaster to accelerate an armed uprising against Uighur Genocide. In this context, the Genocide narrative makes sense.
It all however went horribly wrong. The Syrian Jihad has been crushed, the "Pro Democracy Fighters" exposed for the Jihadi's that they are and many of them now either dead or hemmed up in Idlib, broken and defeated men. In addition, Xinjiang has been peacefully stabilised.

The narrative however has been set and trying to change it will just descend into a chaotic train wreck!

IS the US stated intention to withdraw from Afghanistan an admission that the game is up and they have no purpose staying there and would be very vulnerable if they did? Guess we find out in September.

Very in-depth analysis. I agree with much of your analysis except I don't think it's that they can't dial back. It's more like they won't (afford) to dial back).

These pictures says it all.

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A Chinese proverb. Snakes and rats in a pot.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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Where's those 'rule of law' members when you need them. Remember how they harp on about the 'rule of law' in the SCS. Until someone pointed out the U.S. has never signed the UNLOS. Lol

The Australians were ok with Chinese money all the time under Rudd. Now looks like even the 'Chinese' members of the Labour party bought the cool aid.

Australian foreign policy

Labor pushes Morrison government to clarify whether it views Xinjiang human rights abuses as genocide

Penny Wong calls for Australia to consider targeted sanctions on foreign entities directly profiting from forced Uyghur labour

Rest of the BS article:

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Very in-depth analysis. I agree with much of your analysis except I don't think it's that they can't dial back. It's more like they won't (afford) to dial back).

These pictures says it all.

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A Chinese proverb. Snakes and rats in a pot.
Damn, the forum sure is different without you!
 

Khalij e Fars

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Powerful explosion rocks sensitive Israeli missile factory​

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A powerful explosion took place on Tuesday at a sensitive weapons factory during a test in central Israel, Haaretz reported.

There are so far no reports of casualties.

The explosion occurred during a 'routine test' by the Tomar factory for advanced weapons, which develops rocket engines and houses various types of missiles. Locals say they heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud, with some filming it.

Officials may have underestimated the collateral damage of the test, which led to the explosion.

In response to the blast, Tomer said, "This was a controlled test with no exceptional circumstances."

Tomer's offices are located in central Israel, and in proximity to residential areas. The company manufactures missiles for use by the IDF and other Israeli war systems. They are the manufacturers behind Israel's Arrow 4 ballistic missile system.

Senior war officials are now investigating what went wrong.

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Video of the (aftermath) explosion:

 

voyager1

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showed 28% of respondents backing the Greens, 21% with the CDU/CSU
Greens are taking the lead in Germany. Very bad news for China as the Greens are basically the US in their foreign policy.

Genocide, Hong Kong, Taiwan, sanctions, Huawei 5G etc. All of their China policies are copy-pasted from the US State Department
 
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