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BlackWindMnt

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In continuation of Trumps policy to cripple Chinese tech development , Biden has now targeted Chinese Supercomputer entities.


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Affected entities-

Tianjin Phytium Information Technology,
Shanghai High-Performance Integrated Circuit Design Center,
Shenzhen Sunway Micro-electronics,
National Supercomputing Center Jinan,
National Supercomputing Center Shenzhen,
National Supercomputing Center Zhengzhou.

Idk much about Supercomputers so can anyone knowledgeable here explain whether this move will have any significant impact ?
You need to supercomputer to run simulations, nuclear explosion simulation, fluid simulation for hypersonic missile design etc.
Also having the most computer power is a nice prestige.

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You know what I wouldn't be surprised, it could function as a way to displace gold. Given that the US hasn't had a legit gold reserve audit in decades that the gold bugs believe. Also given the push from crypto influencers saying gold is the boomer hard currency and that bitcoin is the most hardest of currency(as in there can only be around 21 million bitcoins mined). Doesn't change the fact that bitcoin is a useful asset.
 

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In continuation of Trumps policy to cripple Chinese tech development , Biden has now targeted Chinese Supercomputer entities.


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Affected entities-

Tianjin Phytium Information Technology,
Shanghai High-Performance Integrated Circuit Design Center,
Shenzhen Sunway Micro-electronics,
National Supercomputing Center Jinan,
National Supercomputing Center Shenzhen,
National Supercomputing Center Zhengzhou.

Idk much about Supercomputers so can anyone knowledgeable here explain whether this move will have any significant impact ?

This actually dates back to Obama days. When Chinese super computers showed up in the top 500 then tried to throw a wrench by withholding Intel CPU export. Nowadays Chinese super computers use domestic chips.
 

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The Olympics is such a waste of time and money. It's been so politicized that it's better to support local amateur sports in your area. The IOC can pound sand.


In continuation of Trumps policy to cripple Chinese tech development , Biden has now targeted Chinese Supercomputer entities.


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Affected entities-

Tianjin Phytium Information Technology,
Shanghai High-Performance Integrated Circuit Design Center,
Shenzhen Sunway Micro-electronics,
National Supercomputing Center Jinan,
National Supercomputing Center Shenzhen,
National Supercomputing Center Zhengzhou.

Idk much about Supercomputers so can anyone knowledgeable here explain whether this move will have any significant impact ?

Biden administration slaps export controls on Chinese firms for aiding PLA weapons development​

The Biden administration on Thursday placed seven Chinese firms and government labs under U.S. export controls for their involvement in China’s effort to build supercomputers that help develop nuclear and other advanced military weapons.

All seven are linked to China’s ambition to build the world’s first exascale computer, Commerce Department officials said. An exascale computer — the next frontier in high- performance computing — can handle a million trillion calculations per second.

That’s the sort of speed necessary to more accurately model the heat and drag on hypersonic vehicles, a field of advanced weapons research in which the Chinese military is already engaged, using its current generation of supercomputers.

The move makes good on an effort begun under the Trump administration to add the entities to a Commerce Department trade blacklist known as the “Entity List.” The previous administration ran out of time, leaving the package up to its successor to approve.

The listing of the firms and labs means they may not use U.S.-origin technology without a Commerce Department license, which is very difficult to obtain.

“These are parties that are acting in ways that are contrary to our national security interests,” said a senior agency official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity. “This is really about not having U.S. items contribute to China’s advancement of its military capabilities.”

Speaking broadly Wednesday about Biden administration trade policy toward China, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said, “What we do on offense is more important than what we do on defense.”

The designated entities include three semiconductor firms: Tianjin Phytium Information Technology (or Phytium), Shanghai High-Performance Integrated Circuit Design Center and Sunway Microelectronics.

The trio have links to the People’s Liberation Army. Phytium microprocessors have been used for the supercomputer at China’s largest aerodynamics research complex, which is conducting hypersonics weapons research.

The other four entities are the National Supercomputing Center Jinan, the National Supercomputing Center Shenzhen, the National Supercomputing Center Wuxi and the National Supercomputing Center Zhengzhou.

“These computers have plenty of legitimate civilian uses, but also are very important for weapons design, particularly advanced weapons design, nuclear weapons, cyber, missiles and even hypersonics,” the official said.

The Commerce Department began sanctioning entities linked to Chinese military high-performance computing in 2015 under the Obama administration. That year, for example, it placed the National University of Defense Technology and the National Supercomputing Center in Tianjin — both PLA institutions — on the Entity List. Both are closely linked to Phytium, which on Wednesday
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Feiteng Information Technology Co., Ltd.

Phytium uses American software design companies, which will now have to obtain a license to continue to do business with the Chinese chipmaker.

A decade ago, before the blacklisting, the Tianjin supercomputing lab used chips from Silicon Valley-based Intel in its supercomputer, the Tianhe 1. After the lab was placed under U.S. sanctions, the California chip giant could no longer provide it technology, so the lab turned to Phytium, according to Western analysts.

In 2019, the Commerce Department listed a second set of Chinese companies and labs for involvement with the military’s effort to develop an exascale supercomputer.

Because many advanced chips can be used for commercial as well as military purposes, they are perfectly suited to the Chinese Communist Party’s strategy of “military-civil” fusion, which uses civilian firms to produce or acquire goods and technologies for the PLA.

Shanghai High Performance and some of the sanctioned supercomputing centers support the PLA’s 56th Research Institute, which handles code breaking for communications intercepts, said a second senior Commerce Department official.

“All of this is a way to say that these companies have national standards for supporting the military,” the Commerce official said.

The official said the Commerce Department seeks to make its export controls more effective by conferring with allies to see what actions they might take “because many of them have similar concerns” about China. Taiwan, for instance, is a key player in the global semiconductor supply chain, and the world’s most advanced chip foundry is located there.

In a briefing Wednesday before the Commerce announcement, Taiwanese Foreign Minister Joseph Wu said that Taipei would work with the United States to monitor its chip suppliers.

Taipei wants to “make sure that Taiwan’s semiconductor supply to China is in line with the U.S.’s broader strategic objectives,” he said. “The Taiwanese government has been working very closely with the United States on the kinds of norms that we need to follow to make sure the supply chain is beneficial not just to Taiwan but the broader international community, especially like-minded countries.”

To compete in the long run with China, Raimondo said Wednesday, “we have to work with our allies and find common ground where we can.”

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This actually dates back to Obama days. When Chinese super computers showed up in the top 500 then tried to throw a wrench by withholding Intel CPU export. Nowadays Chinese super computers use domestic chips.

Supercomputer chips don't need to be 5nm or lower, so domestic etching equipment should suffice, so the remaining issue is probably just chip design software.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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In continuation of Trumps policy to cripple Chinese tech development , Biden has now targeted Chinese Supercomputer entities.


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Affected entities-

Tianjin Phytium Information Technology,
Shanghai High-Performance Integrated Circuit Design Center,
Shenzhen Sunway Micro-electronics,
National Supercomputing Center Jinan,
National Supercomputing Center Shenzhen,
National Supercomputing Center Zhengzhou.

Idk much about Supercomputers so can anyone knowledgeable here explain whether this move will have any significant impact ?
What I don't understand is the sheer hypocrisy of the U.S. not allowing Chinese entities to assist and help their country's military when in reality the U.S. M.I.C. is being help and assisted from their own companies or important sectors like no other. F..ck America
 

quantumlight

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You need to supercomputer to run simulations, nuclear explosion simulation, fluid simulation for hypersonic missile design etc.
Also having the most computer power is a nice prestige.


You know what I wouldn't be surprised, it could function as a way to displace gold. Given that the US hasn't had a legit gold reserve audit in decades that the gold bugs believe. Also given the push from crypto influencers saying gold is the boomer hard currency and that bitcoin is the most hardest of currency(as in there can only be around 21 million bitcoins mined). Doesn't change the fact that bitcoin is a useful asset.
They say follow the money... who benefitted from bitcoin rise the most?

Nvidia... sky high gpu prices... GPU isnt just for playing games, its also used for mining coins and AI applications from playing Go to self driving cars....

Nvidia made out like a bandit, usings its cash to buy out ARM and position itself as world Premiere AI company now...

In effect, the entire world, and especially China, is subsidizing American AI development while US kneecap Chinese tech ascension with sanctions and even got TSMC to cut Huawei etc while getting TW to build them half dozen fabs in AZ and elsewhere in US...

And as I mentioned elsewhere, bitcoin is an absorber of excess USD, its larger goal is to extend the shelflife of American hegemony

Also, while all the masses and sheeple are investing in scamcoin, the elites are buying up real assets on the cheap.... otherwise gold, silver, land, etc would be a lot more expensive right now

 
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