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Xizor

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I think the main reason would be human workload, the 2nd seat of a J-16D is busy with electronic attack. So, I think this will come but it will need some more automation for the 3 roles we can now imagine fighter “pilots” having; flying, controlling drones, and electronic attack.

The easiest tasks to automate, IMO, is the “flying”.

Maybe we will see a J-20SD or future J-16D with no human doing the actual flying and instead a WSO/Drone controller and Electronic warfare specialist in the 2 seats.
I included the J-16D as it was the latest and I am not thinking of shoehorning the capability into what is a dedicated EW operator cockpit. Any J16 aircraft would do.

I was thinking about the possibility of incorporating the C&C capability in any competent twin seater 4th gen aircraft. Even the JF-17 tandem seater or even a trainer aircraft like L-15 ! (I'm pushing it here).

Ofcourse, we have to avoid considering the engineering challenges here. A democratization of a capability multiplier technology. Hard to come up with dissuading arguments other than the cost of drones.
 

Andy1974

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I included the J-16D as it was the latest and I am not thinking of shoehorning the capability into what is a dedicated EW operator cockpit. Any J16 aircraft would do.

I was thinking about the possibility of incorporating the C&C capability in any competent twin seater 4th gen aircraft. Even the JF-17 tandem seater or even a trainer aircraft like L-15 ! (I'm pushing it here).

Ofcourse, we have to avoid considering the engineering challenges here. A democratization of a capability multiplier technology. Hard to come up with dissuading arguments other than the cost of drones.
Yes I think so, I agree that L-15 has a lot of possibilities for this role and other too, it’s extremely handy having a trainer that can really contribute to the fight in extremis, especially if you have a lot of them, a real under appreciated asset IMO.

Edit: Looks like Middle East countries, which buy Chinese drones are looking at the L-15 too, so it’s probably likely your vision will happen.

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Anyone with an idea what's this?

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Unfortunately all i can see is this since I have no subscription and even lesser I find any connection to a DARPA Concept For New Fighter or does this report really marks this trainer derivate a "New Fighter"? :oops:

All I get is this...

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Anyone with an idea what's this?

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Unfortunately all i can see is this since I have no subscription and even lesser I find any connection to a DARPA Concept For New Fighter or does this report really marks this trainer derivate a "New Fighter"? :oops:

All I get is this...

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Chinese Manufacturer Lifts DARPA Concept For New Fighter​

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November 15, 2021




DUBAI—Chinese manufacturer CATIC has unveiled a concept for a new version of the turbofan-powered K-8 trainer and light attack fighter that appears to leverage close air support technology from a canceled DARPA program.
The K-8NG is a concept proposal for the export market, says a CATIC official interviewed on the state-owned company’s exhibit stand at the Dubai Airshow on Nov. 15.
The concept features upgrades that include a new cockpit with a large touchscreen and head-up display for the pilot and another large touchscreen only for the weapons systems officer or instructor in the back seat, the official says.
A brochure for the K-8NG also describes a capability that closely resembles DARPA’s Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS) program. In 2015, DARPA described the results of the PCAS program, which was ultimately not selected to transition into service.
“The tests, which involved 50 successful sorties near Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, showed that a warfighter serving as a joint terminal attack controller (JTAC) on the ground could, in seamless coordination with a pilot, successfully command an airstrike with as few as three clicks on a tablet,” DARPA said in a 2015 news release.
The CATIC brochure for the K-8NG offered a similar description for a new Chinese capability: “Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS) system digitally interconnects the aircraft with the ground Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC).”
The original K-8 was developed as a collaboration between CATIC and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in the 1980s. The exported design consisted of multiple Western systems, including Martin-Baker ejection seats, Honeywell TFE731 turbofans and Collins Aerospace avionics.
The K-8NG offers an opportunity for CATIC to replace western suppliers with Chinese alternatives. Its features include a “supply chain highly concentrated within Chinese territory, thus lifecycle supply and support is guaranteed,” the CATIC brochure says.



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Chinese Manufacturer Lifts DARPA Concept For New Fighter​

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November 15, 2021




DUBAI—Chinese manufacturer CATIC has unveiled a concept for a new version of the turbofan-powered K-8 trainer and light attack fighter that appears to leverage close air support technology from a canceled DARPA program.
The K-8NG is a concept proposal for the export market, says a CATIC official interviewed on the state-owned company’s exhibit stand at the Dubai Airshow on Nov. 15.
The concept features upgrades that include a new cockpit with a large touchscreen and head-up display for the pilot and another large touchscreen only for the weapons systems officer or instructor in the back seat, the official says.
A brochure for the K-8NG also describes a capability that closely resembles DARPA’s Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS) program. In 2015, DARPA described the results of the PCAS program, which was ultimately not selected to transition into service.
“The tests, which involved 50 successful sorties near Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, showed that a warfighter serving as a joint terminal attack controller (JTAC) on the ground could, in seamless coordination with a pilot, successfully command an airstrike with as few as three clicks on a tablet,” DARPA said in a 2015 news release.
The CATIC brochure for the K-8NG offered a similar description for a new Chinese capability: “Persistent Close Air Support (PCAS) system digitally interconnects the aircraft with the ground Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC).”
The original K-8 was developed as a collaboration between CATIC and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in the 1980s. The exported design consisted of multiple Western systems, including Martin-Baker ejection seats, Honeywell TFE731 turbofans and Collins Aerospace avionics.
The K-8NG offers an opportunity for CATIC to replace western suppliers with Chinese alternatives. Its features include a “supply chain highly concentrated within Chinese territory, thus lifecycle supply and support is guaranteed,” the CATIC brochure says.



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Oh well .. to call that tiny little thing a fighter is an embarrassment for any real tiny fighter!
 

lcloo

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It looks like Mosquito of WW2, but there is significant differences. Can some one please confirm it is a variant of mosquito or if it is a different plane, what is it?

ROC Taiwan air force had mosquito light bombers, is this an ex-ROC aircraft?

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