America's War in Afghanistan - a bigger failure than Vietnam?

Abominable

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NATO will be withdrawing from Afghanistan on 11th September officially. This was in violation of an agreement, possibly as a final insult to Afghanistan.

A few weeks ago, I wondered how long the NATO regime would last post withdrawal. The closest thing to compare it to was the DRA - the communist government of Afghanistan.

I've read a lot about the DRA in it's short existence. Contrary to what you'll read about from western sources, it was well organised. Even after the Soviet troops withdrew, they had a functioning government, army and civil services. You hear a lot about the failure of USSR in Afghanistan, and it's 100% true there was brutality, corruption and defections. But it lasted from 1989 to 1992 and the biggest cause of its failure was the implosion of the USSR itself.

That brings us on to America's attempt in Afghanistan. How does that benchmark against the Soviet effort? America had 20 years in Afghanistan, spent billions more, the estimated final cost was $1trillion. America has blamed various countries for supporting the insurgency including Pakistan, China, Iran and even Russia! That may or may not be true, but that was nothing compared to the support the Jihadis had against the DRA - all of the above plus America, the UK, Egypt and so on. America also had the support of NATO, whereas the USSR were alone.

So America must have done a better job at ending extremism than the evil communists right? Surely the regime they leave behind will last longer?

Well until a few weeks ago I assumed it would.

Over the past few weeks, the Afghanistan regime has been crumbling FAST. The first warning signs were that many of the warlords of Afghanistan have been fleeing to Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

There's been dozens of videos being posted on social media of mass defections of Afghan soldiers to the Taliban.
These were just a couple showing up on feeds I see, there is lots of these being posted every day. They speak for themselves.

The way things are going it will be surprising to see the regime last until September 11th, let alone 3 years. Americans in Afghanistan must be getting very nervous right now. If the momentum continues growing, I can totally envision a Saigon style withdrawal of Americans from Kabul.

If that happens, I think it would sum up America's adventure perfectly. Unlike in Vietnam, Afghanistan was supposed to be a much easier assignment and yet they've managed to drag it on 20 years and make a bigger mess.
 

tupolevtu144

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According to the latest news Afghan central government has resorted to recruiting civilian militias already. Meanwhile the Taliban has been so successful they actually SLOWED DOWN THEIR ADVANCE ON PURPOSE so as not to disturb the withdrawal of NATO troops.

But the greatest question is whether NATO is really 100% withdrawing from Afghanistan. After all we should also count the personnel protecting the remaining US diplomatic and advisory officials stationed in Kabul. Another factor is the PMC companies stationed in Afghanistan. I'm not really sure how many PMC there are in Afghanistan but if NATO has been able to outsource a great portion of military duties to PMC companies for the past several years then I guess that it's likely that there's a rather great PMC presence in Afghanistan.
 

drowingfish

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According to the latest news Afghan central government has resorted to recruiting civilian militias already. Meanwhile the Taliban has been so successful they actually SLOWED DOWN THEIR ADVANCE ON PURPOSE so as not to disturb the withdrawal of NATO troops.

But the greatest question is whether NATO is really 100% withdrawing from Afghanistan. After all we should also count the personnel protecting the remaining US diplomatic and advisory officials stationed in Kabul. Another factor is the PMC companies stationed in Afghanistan. I'm not really sure how many PMC there are in Afghanistan but if NATO has been able to outsource a great portion of military duties to PMC companies for the past several years then I guess that it's likely that there's a rather great PMC presence in Afghanistan.
PMC in isolation wont be able to fend off taliban, and it is not as if they can call in airstrikes. If Kabul is the only city left standing I believe the US will have to withdraw. the tricky part is to be able to thin-out without afghans taking notice, as even rumours of such actions will inevitably shake the confidence in the current afghan government and military. but you also dont want to make zero preparation and be rushing out the door with the taliban already surrounded the city, it is indeed a delicate act.
 
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Abominable

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Not much of a mention in the MSM, but looks like they've finally withdrawn from Bagram.

Seems like they were in quite a rush to leave, look at all the gear they've abandoned. Tells you how much faith they had in the institutions they were building up for 20 years.


That could make a decent trauma centre if the Afghans are able to run it.

The Americans are sticking to their official withdrawal date to save face. I wonder how many actual US soldiers are in America right now. The only "base" they have now is their part of Kandahar airport.
 
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H2O

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Seems like they were in quite a rush to leave, look at all the gear they've abandoned. Tells you how much faith they had in the institutions they were building up for 20 years.

The equipment isn't worth the expense to ship it all back home.
 
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