Syrian rebels turn guns on each other

SampanViking

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No real surprise here

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So the Salafists and Secular rebels are now also fighting each other as well as the Government.

More interesting is this news from a couple of weeks ago (which I missed at the time, but which is still very much a hot potato).

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You do get a sense of the endgame coming very soon.
 

MwRYum

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No real surprise here

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So the Salafists and Secular rebels are now also fighting each other as well as the Government.

For Syrians, the sooner those mudak finish killing off each other the better, this Arab Spring / Jasmine Revolution monkey business is simply all-rounded failure. And somebody in HK actually thought it is inspiring and to be emulated.

More interesting is this news from a couple of weeks ago (which I missed at the time, but which is still very much a hot potato).

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You do get a sense of the endgame coming very soon.

The Secuity Concil will have to be sleeping to even allow it onto agenda...
 

Equation

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What "Syrian" rebel army? The majority or nearly all of them are foreign mercenaries. The rest of the Syrian people had already left and became refugees from neighboring countries like Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, and even Iraq.
 

asif iqbal

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Homs is such a ancient city with many of the buildings dating back to the Crusaders time, they have been badly damaged and even destroyed

Very sad situation, doesn't matter who's right doesn't matter who's wrong, the devil is still strong
 

Equation

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Homs is such a ancient city with many of the buildings dating back to the Crusaders time, they have been badly damaged and even destroyed

Very sad situation, doesn't matter who's right doesn't matter who's wrong, the devil is still strong

If it's the modern buildings it can be replaced, but if it's the ancient ones are damaged, than sadly that can NOT be replaced.:(
 

paintgun

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For Syrians, the sooner those mudak finish killing off each other the better, this Arab Spring / Jasmine Revolution monkey business is simply all-rounded failure. And somebody in HK actually thought it is inspiring and to be emulated.



The Secuity Concil will have to be sleeping to even allow it onto agenda...

Agreed. Russia sending troops to such a place, even as unarmed or lightly armed peace keepers, will be a free ride for them. Giving them more cards to play in the game. US will not allow it to happen, though US efforts in Syria, or should I say Obama's is uninspiring at best.

Arab Spring, the thought of this movement as liberating and genuine is childish, and the people who believe in it are naive.
Syrian people got something they didn't ask for.
 

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Strangely enough, the idea is in play and being negotiated, principally with the Israelis who have not dismissed the idea out of hand.

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It is true that the original mandate precluded the deployment of soldiers from any UNSCPM, but that was forty years ago, during the cold war and changing the terms of the mandate is quite straightforward. There is no doubt plenty of horse trading to be done, but I suspect that underlying all of this are two immutable facts:

1) Russia will not allow the fall of the Assad Government and even the popular tide inside Syria has turned against the rebels.
2) The main concern now is stopping spillover to the rest of the region and greater global blowback.

Beyond this of course even if an official UN mandate is not forthcoming, Syria as a Sovereign State can simply invite Russia to provide this border duty.
A few weeks ago an Al-Qaeda affiliated brigade did briefly overrun a Golan position, causing the retreat and subsequent withdrawal of the Austrian forces. The Syrian Army quickly retook the positions, which were technically in breach of the Golan Armistice, but Israel made no complaint. This clearly indicates to me where they now see the greatest threat to their security as coming from and that the Russian solution is the only practical option available.
 

asif iqbal

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If it's the modern buildings it can be replaced, but if it's the ancient ones are damaged, than sadly that can NOT be replaced.:(

All I can say is these building and historical monuments were very well maintained and restored under the Assad regime, when I visited in 2004 the atmosphere was amazing and very positive, it seemed to be a country in transformation, closed for many years finally it seemed like Syria was going to be open like Egypt and many tourists were visiting and arriving in the bus loads, as if you were on the verge of seeing a real change in the region and the country

When we crossed from Turkish border into Syria there was a line of trucks on both end of the border crossing, there was massive trade between Turkey and Syria, we could see the line of trucks extending for miles and miles, there was a buz in the air, people trading and much activity

But then somehow somewhere it all went wrong, when you see pictures of Syrian city's today it reminds of Stalingrad

All I can say is under Assad these things never happened, so he must have been doing something right, world heritage sites have been destroyed I never seem anything like this when I was there, I'm glad I toured when I was younger you can't ever imagine going to these countrys now, I got the chance to go there and see for myself what now has gone
 

asif iqbal

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Right at the centre of Aleppo there is a old citadel, we climbed all the way up and I took this pictures looking East towards the old town, this is Aleppo from the Citadel, taken in June 2004, beautiful city now in ruins

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MwRYum

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Strangely enough, the idea is in play and being negotiated, principally with the Israelis who have not dismissed the idea out of hand.

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It is true that the original mandate precluded the deployment of soldiers from any UNSCPM, but that was forty years ago, during the cold war and changing the terms of the mandate is quite straightforward. There is no doubt plenty of horse trading to be done, but I suspect that underlying all of this are two immutable facts:

1) Russia will not allow the fall of the Assad Government and even the popular tide inside Syria has turned against the rebels.
2) The main concern now is stopping spillover to the rest of the region and greater global blowback.

Beyond this of course even if an official UN mandate is not forthcoming, Syria as a Sovereign State can simply invite Russia to provide this border duty.
A few weeks ago an Al-Qaeda affiliated brigade did briefly overrun a Golan position, causing the retreat and subsequent withdrawal of the Austrian forces. The Syrian Army quickly retook the positions, which were technically in breach of the Golan Armistice, but Israel made no complaint. This clearly indicates to me where they now see the greatest threat to their security as coming from and that the Russian solution is the only practical option available.

That's because the Israeli knows better that having an effective government - even if it's Assad - in Damascus is way better than let Syria become another Libya; after all, having an annoying neighbour, as long as he's a realist at heart, is way better than having a crack house next door, if those "Syrian rebels" were allow to win this war.

Out of religious allegiance the gulf state supporting the AQ with money and arms, the West might've been playing along at first due to the Iranian factor, but judging the "talk loud at front, but drag their feet in real" situation, it seems that the West now looking for an exit strategy but wish one that won't put them openly opposing those oil producing gulf states .
 
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