Syrian Crisis...2013

MwRYum

Major
It would be pointless anyway. Importation would be bared by the ATF on multiple counts. They are true selective fire weapons, non sport style with Nazi proof marks, large capacity magazines and the dreaded bayonet lug... I can see it now President Obama would meet the freighter at the dock with a giant metal shredder and a grin from ear to ear.

And on the split screen, NRA and collectors across the US had their faces either turn sheet white, or blood tears run down their cheeks...
 
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thunderchief

Senior Member
Interesting development , looks like some of the more secular members of FSA are trying to cut a deal with Assad :

A Syrian solution to civil conflict? The Free Syrian Army is holding talks with Assad's senior staff




Six weeks ago, a two-man delegation arrived in secret in Damascus: civilians from Aleppo who represented elements of the Free Syrian Army, the rebel group largely composed of fighters who deserted the regime’s army in the first year of the war. They came under a guarantee of safety, and met, so I am told, a senior official on the staff of President Bashar al-Assad. And they carried with them an extraordinary initiative – that there might be talks between the government and FSA officers who “believed in a Syrian solution” to the war.

The delegation made four points: that there must be an “internal Syrian dialogue”; that private and public properties must be maintained; that there must be an end to – and condemnation of – civil, sectarian, ethnic strife; and that all must work for a democratic Syria where the supremacy of law would be dominant. There was no demand – at least at this stage – for Assad’s departure.

The reply apparently came promptly. There should indeed be “a dialogue within the Syrian homeland”; no preconditions for the dialogue; and a presidential guarantee of safety for any FSA men participating. And now, it seems, another remarkable development is under way: in seven rebel-held areas of Aleppo, most of them under the control of the FSA, civil employees can return to work in their offices, and government institutions and schools can reopen. Students who have become militiamen over the past two years will be disarmed and return to their classrooms.

Some members of the FSA have formed what they call the “National Union for Saving Syria”, although members of the political opposition in areas outside government control disrupted meetings by condemning the government army and, according to those involved in the “Union”, making sectarian comments and condemning Shiites and Iran. Last week there were several defections of FSA units to the al-Qa’ida-linked al-Nusra Front, which has complicated matters still further. If the FSA is prepared to talk to the regime, how many are now left to take part in future agreements between the two sides?

For months now, pro-regime officials have explored how they might win the army defectors back to their side – and the growth of al-Nusra and other Islamist groups has certainly disillusioned many thousands of FSA men who feel that their own revolution against the government has been stolen from them. And in areas of Homs province, it is a fact that fighting between the FSA and the army has virtually ceased. In some government-held villages and towns the FSA are already present without being molested.....................................................

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MwRYum

Major
If true its still only a faction of a faction and I doubt the the AQ groups will happily watch this go through.

Even if this news is true and in the end did result in something tangible, everyone in their right mind would know it's just a nine-headed hydra lost one head at the very best, and you still got a largely intact monster to kill before you can safely call it mission accomplished. In short, it won't mean anything more than taking a fringed rebel faction out of the picture under the best scenario.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
It could also have to do with where the SSA operates, IED's are fixed weapons that are best used in the opening of a Ambush, that means you need a funnel, A place where in your target has to enter a concentrated kill zone. IED's in Iraq and Vietnam used Road sides. Most of the Videos we have seen of Armor in Syria show open terrain.

IEDs are insurgency weapons which relies on the support of the local population, and routine and predictable patrols by the enemy to be most successful since they take so long to set up and are not easily redeployable. When the front lines are fluid, you simply do not have the opportunity to set up IEDs, or you will have a very low probability of having targets to hit if you just planted them before abandoning an area.

In addition, IEDs need eyes on target to trigger them to be most effective, yet the sectarian nature of the war in Syria means few rebel or government fighters would really want to, or be able to stay behind enemy lines and stand by a roadside with a cup of chi waiting for the right moment to set off IEDs.

Without routine patrols to target, and without eyes on the ground to trigger the IEDs and replace the , they are just booby traps and once an area has been cleared, it tends to stay cleared.
 

delft

Brigadier
Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar looks at the recent developments:
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SYRIA'S CIVIL WAR
Moscow seeks full-spectrum US engagement

By M K Bhadrakumar

The high drama of the US-Iran thaw and the diplomatic wrangle over Syria's chemical weapons cannot hide the ground reality that the nature of the war in Syria is dramatically changing. Moscow grasps this and it may have prompted President Vladimir Putin's remark earlier in the week that things are moving in the right direction.

Moscow hopes that building on the recent US-Russia initiative on Syria's chemical weapons, the Russian-American relationship could move on to a higher trajectory.

On Thursday, Putin's aide, Yury Ushakov, disclosed that there could be a meeting between Putin and President Barack Obama at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit on Tuesday at Bali, Indonesia. The initiative came from the Russian side, which was "immediately taken up by the American side" and while confirmation was awaited, "we think this meeting will go ahead," Ushakov said.

Evidently, Moscow didn't factor in the possibility that domestic political preoccupations might prompt Obama to call of his trip to Indonesia, which he has done.

War changes course
Meanwhile, the tectonic shift in the Syrian war has been laid bare in an exclusive report on Monday by the Independent newspaper's veteran Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk.

Fisk reported that contacts have been made by elements of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) from Aleppo with the Syrian government and a two-member rebel delegation travelled to Damascus under a guarantee of safety from the regime to meet a senior official on the staff of President Bashar al-Assad.

FSA will now allow government offices and institutions such as schools to reopen in the rebel-held areas of Aleppo, and fighting between the FSA and the army has ceased in certain areas of the strategic Homs province.

Fisk estimates that the growing defection from the FSA ranks to the al-Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front and the steady ascendancy of the hardline Islamist groups has disillusioned the "moderate" rebels.

After me, the deluge
Buying into this trend, the massive attack recently on Christian churches in Raaqqa and the brutal assault on the ancient Christian village of Maaloula by the al-Nusra group, serves as a rude wake-up call for Western capitals. Bishops and patriarchs from across the region met in Beirut last Friday to lament that the Arab Spring has "turned to winter, to iron and fire" for the Christians of the Middle East.

In political terms, what emerges is that:

*The growing dominance of the al-Qaeda-affiliated groups in Syria brings the US, Russia and Iran on the same page in terms of shared hostility toward al-Qaeda;
*Collectively or individually, these countries can be expected to ensure that Syria does not become an al-Qaeda base camp;
*The US and its Western allies may even consider altogether mothballing the idea of sending sophisticated weapons to the FSA for fear they may end up with the al-Qaeda-affiliated groups;
*The recent announcement of the formation of an "Islamic Alliance" of the extremist groups is triggering a new polarization in which the moderate and secular elements would have more in common with the regime than with the jihadi groups. Fisk reported that some FSA members have formed a so-called National Union for Saving Syria with the intent to hold talks with the regime.
*When the tussle between the jihadis and Islamists sharpens - and there are reports of violent clashes - Islamism as a whole takes a beating as beacon for Syria's future;
*Equally, the regional states supporting the Islamist rebel groups in Syria will be forced to rethink. Saudi King Abdullah has invited Iranian *President Hassan Rouhani to go on Haj pilgrimage.
President Assad rises in stature on the political chessboard. On top of the staying power he has shown so far, he is also assuming a new role as the UN's interlocutor ensuring the success of the mission undertaken by the experts from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. Assad now emerges as the only figure capable of rolling back the al-Qaeda deluge in Syria.

Democracy on donkey's back
The prominent Turkish columnist for Hurriyet newspaper Semih Idiz summed up:

Let's face it, the war in Syria is no longer about fighting against a brutal dictator for the sake of democracy. It hasn't been for some time. The war is now over whether Syria will be run according to the Sunni Shariah or remain a secular country even if not a democratic one.

Curiously, Sergei Ivanov, the powerful presidential chief of staff in the Kremlin, put it all other in a candid media talk on Monday. He said, "The war between the government and the opposition stopped [in Syria] a long time ago." Ivanov noted. He went on:

The West is beginning to understand that maybe the [Syrian] opposition should be divided, that it is necessary to stop trying to persuade al-Qaeda and other extremist groups to speak about Geneva-2, and that weapons deliveries to then should be preferably stopped ... first we could split the opposition into two parts and invite both Assad's representatives and what we can describe as a reasonable opposition to the Geneva-2 where dialogue may be launched.

Then, Ivanov looked a little bit further ahead and tossed around an absolutely audacious thought:

Certainly, it would be naive and ridiculous to speak about any free expression of will in Syria, but if we agree to recognize the foundations of democracy, let's try to organize fair elections, similar to how it was done in Afghanistan. If you remember, during the last elections [in Afghanistan], ballot papers were delivered by donkeys for half a year, and the vote counting process took quite long as well. But we are ready to accept even this. However, first they will have to agree on the rules of the game.

Ironically, it is Russia that is pressing for Syria to have a crack at liberal democracy at the soonest, as early as by the presidential election due in May 2014. Whereas, the US remains mum.

The Obama administration hopes to revisit the Syrian problem only after gaining greater clarity on the Iranian front.

However, Obama's problem lies elsewhere, namely, how to sell this intriguing Russian idea of an "Afghan solution" to the Syrian question to his regional allies - Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar principally - who never expected things to come to this extraordinary pass.

Fortunately, if it is Saudi Arabia that poses a headache for Obama, here too Russian diplomacy can help. On Monday, Moscow had an important visitor from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia - the secretary-general of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu.

Now, the OIC bears the imprimatur of the Saud regime. During Ihasanoglu's visit, Russia signed a framework agreement with the OIC, which provides for bilateral consultations on key issues on the international agenda, "including the issues of regulating conflicts in which OIC member countries are involved".

Casting the net wide

On a broader plane, the Russian expectation is to quickly build on what Putin noted in a speech on Tuesday as "common achievement" of Russia and the US regarding the elimination of Syria's chemical weapons. Moscow's expectation was to put Syria peace talks on focus at the Bali meeting talks between Putin and Obama. The meeting would have shown how far Obama is prepared to follow the Russian lead on Syria.

Of course, Obama would know that Russia is casting the net wide for a full spectrum Russian-American engagement starting with Syria. In fact, in the past 10 days there have been two high-level meetings between Russia and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to exchange views regarding the change of US missile defense plans announced by Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel in March 2013.

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India's ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001).

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I'm especially curious about how Turkey will turn and what this will mean for terrorism in Iraq which has the same sponsors as that in Syria.
 

MwRYum

Major
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I'm especially curious about how Turkey will turn and what this will mean for terrorism in Iraq which has the same sponsors as that in Syria.

The West wants to cut ties with the insurgents sure, but everyone knows it is now the Sunni/Wahabi regimes in the Gulf who are funding the insurgents in Syria (by majority, if not solely), with money guns and men. Who'd think anyone other than those princes and sultans are backing those AQ lunatics all these years anyway? If anyone really want this civil war to end, first think about how to shut down the backing from the Gulf.

And Turkey...they've an Islamist government voted into office by democratic elections, so unless there's a change of heart from top to bottom - by peaceful means or otherwise - the insurgents will still have a save haven to operate at the Turkish-Syrian border region.
 

delft

Brigadier
The West wants to cut ties with the insurgents sure, but everyone knows it is now the Sunni/Wahabi regimes in the Gulf who are funding the insurgents in Syria (by majority, if not solely), with money guns and men. Who'd think anyone other than those princes and sultans are backing those AQ lunatics all these years anyway? If anyone really want this civil war to end, first think about how to shut down the backing from the Gulf.

And Turkey...they've an Islamist government voted into office by democratic elections, so unless there's a change of heart from top to bottom - by peaceful means or otherwise - the insurgents will still have a save haven to operate at the Turkish-Syrian border region.
Indeed Turkey should reconsider. All Turkish speaking Central Asian countries except Turkmenistan are members of SCO where Turkey is a Dialog Partner.Connection with these countries is valuable to Turkey so such a change of policy, also considering economic matters, should be attractive.
As for the Gulf countries the US are in an excellent position to make an example of Bahrain. Indeed they should have prevented the Saudi intervention in support of its repressive regime. That would more likely have increased rather than decreased US influence in the Middle East.
 

Jeff Head

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Great video. Testament to the Mi-8s construction.


[video=youtube;dkZyG6753so]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkZyG6753so[/video]

Notice how the "Allah Achbars" drop off after they see the helo keep flying away.
 
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