Syrian Crisis...2013

Engineer

Major
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It almost makes one wonder who, exactly, is Kerry's audience? Surely they can't think the US public is going to fall for such lies a second time around.

LOL! I would say those in the US government aren't naive. They simply do not care about opinions of US public.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
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LOL! I would say those in the US government aren't naive. They simply do not care about opinions of US public.

The US government and public have an unspoken covenant. The US public at large don't really give a rats backend what the US government does abroad so long as no Americans die as a result and American interests are advanced or at least not badly harmed. It would be nice if there was some reason or justification for military action, but its not a deal breaker if there isn't so long as American lives are not lost. Anyone who has been to the States and watched the news there (if you can even find it amongst all the commercials and drivel on TV) can attest to the perfected disinterest the US has about anything and everything outside its boarders.

The US can rain tomahawks on Syria tomorrow, and the sat majority of Americans won't care or would cheer just so long as the action doesn't involve American body bags coming home.

I think the main reason Obama is hesitant is because he truly cannot decided if he should be firing those tomahawks at Assad or the rebels. Who knows, maybe he will hit both sides, because he should, as sooner or later, the hardcore radicals are going to have another go at attacking western targets again. Better to take them now, while they are concentrated, exposed and not expecting it rather than later, after they had trained up, armed up and dispersed and disappeared to try and infiltrate into western cities to mount terrorist attacks.

Personally, I think America is being supremely short sighted and illogical in not only allowing the radicals to get such a strong foothold in Syria, but arming and training them as well?! Can they really not see that this is 80s Afghanistan and the Taliban all over again?
 

Rowing_Ming

New Member
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This is a pretty old article from the beginning of the year, and the source might not be the most reliable, but it does bring some potentially useful information.

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January 28, 2013

On Saturday, Cyber War News released a cache of e-mails allegedly hacked by someone in Malaysia from a British private defense contractor called Britam Defence.

One of the e-mails contains a discussion between Britam’s Business Development Director David Goulding and Philip Doughty, company founder. In the exchange, it’s revealed that there is a plan to unleash chemical weapons in Syria in order to blame it on the Bashar Al Assad regime to justify a direct intervention by U.S. and NATO forces in the country's civil war. The plan, thought up by the government of Qatar according to the e-mail, is “approved by Washington.”



Phil

We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

We’ll have to deliver a CW (chemical weapon) to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.

They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.

Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?

Kind regards

David




If this e-mail is authentic, it would confirm what has been reported in the past: that the al-Qaida connected Syrian rebels are planning to unleash chemical weapons as a false flag.

In June, Russia Today reported that Syrian rebels had acquired gas masks and chemical weapons from Libya and “allegedly plan to use it against civilians and pin the atrocity on the Bashar al-Assad regime.”

A Saudi company had further allegedly fitted 1,400 ambulances with a filtering system to protect passengers from gas and chemicals after Syrian rebels launch a chemical weapons attack using mortar rounds, all at the cost of $97,000 each. These ambulances, labeled with “Syrian People’s Relief,” would actually be carrying U.S. and NATO troops. According to Paul Joseph Watson:

The attack, which will involve the use of white phosphorus, sarin and mustard gas, will be launched on a heavily populated town near the Syria/Jordan border, possibly Daraa, after which the vehicles will pour in under the cover of humanitarian aid.

The ambulances…will operate under the guise of an aid mission to help the victims of the chemical weapons attack, but in reality are nothing short of armored personnel carriers.
A buffer zone will be created “that will lead to a NATO military intervention under the pretext of punishing Assad’s regime for the atrocity.”

In December, a video was posted online showing a member of the Syrian rebels testing chemicals on rabbits while jihadist chants go on in the background. In the video, containers labeled Tekkim are shown, which is a Turkish chemicals company. On the wall is a poster with Arabic writing on it that reads “The Almighty Wind Brigade (Kateebat A Reeh Al Sarsar),” according to the Syria Tribune.

A person wearing a lab mask then mixes chemicals in a beaker in the glass box, and we see some gas emitting from the beaker. About a minute later, the rabbits start to have random convulsions and then die. The person says: You saw what happened? This will be your fate, you infidel Alawites, I swear by ALLAH to make you die like these rabbits, one minute only after you inhale the gas.
Assad has maintained that he will not use chemical weapons in Syria’s ongoing war. It would seem unlikely that he would, considering that it would put the militaries of most of the world’s powers against him. Further, an official from within the Pentagon told NBC News that there was no evidence that Assad was planning such attacks.

Intervention in Syria is not about protecting civilians. The Assad regime is allied with the Iranian government, and by overthrowing it, the West has an advantage in an attack on the Islamic Republic.
 

delft

Brigadier
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I think it's sickening - a bunch of nuclear armed rogue states ganging up on Syria. Kerry reminds me strongly of Colin Powell in the Security Council just more than ten years ago. Just allegations without evidence.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
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I think it's sickening - a bunch of nuclear armed rogue states ganging up on Syria. Kerry reminds me strongly of Colin Powell in the Security Council just more than ten years ago. Just allegations without evidence.

Be careful what you call rogue states; most Syrians would rather live in those places rather than in their own country.
 
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The Syria-Iran-Russia alliance cannot stand up to even just a US-UK-France-Gulf Arab states intervention, not to mention co-ordination and/or involvement by Turkey and/or Israel. They can try to escalate but ultimately they would lose an escalated conflict also.

If Sunni Islamic extremists end up on top locally after the Syrian government falls it will still take them a while to get enough in order to pose a threat to the US and they have a long list of enemies who are a lot closer by. There will be some cost to the US, and there is high risk but it is slim, but with the likelihood of a very advantageous outcome for the US.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
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I am not too sure about Turkey. Mr. Erdoğan has been making some flat our weird statements about Israel of late. ripped right from the script of the men who stare at goats.
 

balance

Junior Member
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What will be the possible response by Russian military if US and UK decide to launch a Tomahawk cruise missile attack on Syrian soil? I heard that the Russian official warned of disastrous consequences if they attack Syria.
 
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thunderchief

Senior Member
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A little too heavy on the conspiracy theory for me.

Sure, Obama has been bankrolled by others...that is obvious to anyone watching, but they are principally the progressive/liberal/left players who have been involved for decades in America.

Lets put it like this : in any conflict involving Muslims and non-Muslims in last 20-30 years , America always supported Muslims - except in case when those Muslims were direct threat to Israel . It is a pattern of US foreign policy long before Obama and it will be long after he finishes his term . To put it bluntly , it all started with Nixon and his agreement with Saudis about oil for dollars exclusively . Dollar being reserve currency of the world is the biggest American power . Caliphate is the price we must pay for this .


Think about what you are saying. That Obama will lob a few cruise missiles and then go for full air strikes that we both know will invite Russian and probably Iranian reaction, ecalating out of control into open and full scale war.

These very people you say want a Sunni Caliphate. How does such an out of control escalation help them reach that goal?

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Russia has no military means to intervene . There are no Soviet tanks in Fulda Gap no more ;) , and I don't think Putin will go full nuclear over this . Best he can do is to offer some indirect help , smuggle some weapons , make this protracted and costly war for America.
Iran may try to infiltrate some troops across Iraq , but not having border with Syria means they too cannot do much .
 

thunderchief

Senior Member
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Russia will not directly intervene . They will probably send air-defense specialists (if they didn't already :D ) , maybe even some more advanced weapons if they could get them trough . Other than that , they may pull from some deals with the West like this below . Other than that , US getting bogged down in Syria is perfectly fine with Mr.Putin , and he will make sure they do that .

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