Syrian Crisis...2013

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    Unless Turkey goes in and put everyone to the sword, the sectarian killings won't stop even if the Turks take over the country, just like how the American occupation did diddly squat to stop sectarian killings in Iraq.

    Both Assad and the rebels have popular support from different elements of the Syrian population, and both sides are guilty of promoting sectarian violence and hatred as a means of security the loyalty of their supporters. For many if not most of the people fighting and dying in Syria, the conflict is not about who rules over the rubble and ashes but rather one of survival.

    If Turkey goes in, just like the Americans in Iraq, the they will get caught in the crossfire and also becoming a common enemy for both sides and will take heavy casualties with no end in sight. Turkey would have to be stupid or mad to want to actively get bogged down in that unholy mess.

    The big problems with playing the sectarian hatred card are that things get nasty and ugly real fast, and trying to get people to stop the ethnic killings even after the war is going to be next to impossible. The only two ways such blood feuds have been resolved in the past is if one side completely ethnically cleanses the country of the other side, or if the country is carved up along ethnic or religious lines.

    With the pain and humiliation if Iraq fresh in the minds of its military, I don't think America is at all keen about getting involved in all that again in Syria, and as Iraq proved, even with American boots on the ground, there is little guarantee that the sectarian killings will stop. Turkey is welcome to try their luck, but I seriously doubt they will have much more luck than the Americans did in Iraq. Turkey can go in and it will scarcely make much difference to the body count other than drive it up.

    You cannot get two sides hell bent on slaughtering each other to stop if they don't want to, and if you try, you will only succeed in making both sides hell bent on killing you so they can get back to slaughtering each other.

    The Syrian conflict will drag on send innocents on both sides will continue to die horribly until either one side wins outright, or both sides batter themselves so bloody they loose interest in continuing to fight. But we are still s long way off from either of those points.
     
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    Guess thats just human nature in the end, Europeans spent first half of the 20th century killing each other and the second half planning to kill each other

    It's time now for the the Middleast I guess, although it's slower it is span over a longer time scale, shame, takes years to create a civilisation but just a few short moments to destroy one

    I think things will get a lot worse before they get better
     
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    Re: Persian Gulf & Middle East News & Views

    Check out this documentary at 0:32, notice the how the body of the man is positioned, that is the hallmark of an instant kill from nerve agents, look at the color of the hand as well. further into the documentary former iranian soldiers described the "frozen" look of the men he encountered.

    History of Modern Iran: Rogue State | BBC Documentary - YouTube

    Edit: Want to make a second unrelated point that is included in that documentary:

    Watch from 51 minutes, the taliban killed 9 Iranian diplomats in Mazar-e Sharif and Iran had begun to mobilize forces on the border with Afghanistan for an invasion. They however decided to go to the UN for support because they knew it would lead to a war that would last for years...Well US should have taken note on that. It also kills the statement that Iran actively supports the Taliban in the current war in Afghanistan.

    Found an old CNN article on the killing and the war that almost happened, 1998... http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9809/15/iran.afghan.tensions.02/index.html
     
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    News about the situation in Egypt, Syria etc is in the news everyday in the US...in case any of our members are unaware of this..

    US forces move closer to Syria as options weighed

    I do not like this [​IMG] at all..[​IMG]
     
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    In the last few days and hours 4 USN Arleigh Burkes have been stationed near the coast or close to Syria they are

    USS Mahan DDG-72
    USS Barry DDG-52
    USS Ramage DDG-61
    And USS Gravely DDG-107

    All are carrying Tomahawks, USS Mahan has completed its routine deployment but is going to stay out there until further notice

    Also US air assets in Turkey and Jordan are on a extended readiness, I think the militray is waiting for the go ahead call they are ready to strike I think

    In addition US special opps who did recent excercises in Jordan are being told they could expect to be called on soon
     
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    Just thinking if those Syrian Yakhonts are accounted for, before any attack begins they need to neutralise those anti-ship missiles, if Syrian coastal defences get a few of them off and they target USN ships the situation will escalate

    However I believe the Israeli air force has taken care of that job, the US intel is more than likely on the job, also there is the Panistar Missile system too

    Actually there is maybe half a dozen weapons systems in the Assads arsenal that are a threat any outside interference, all modern Russian systems delivered in the last few years
     
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    Re: Persian Gulf & Middle East News & Views

    Me either, popeye.

    I do not believe, on seeing the pics of the so-called "Chemical Attack," that it was a general attack by Syria against its people in that area near Damascus at all. It looks far more possible like a false flag, and may now be used to conduct a "Wag the Dog," war by the US against Syria.

    It is a huge mistake and one I do not believe the US people want, or have any desire whatsoever for.

    I do believe, if it happens, that it would be a wretched misdirection by the Obama admin to deflect attention away from their many other failures and scandals...and it makes me sick to my stomach that our young people may be used in this manner.

    I pray we do not do this.

    We can but watch and see what happens, while burning up the phone, fax and email lines to our congress critters and senators.
     
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    It seems that president Obama and the generals at the Pentagon are very reluctent to get involved in the conflict in Syria. Any action that may come will most likely be very limited. Perhabs a few cruise missile strikes. But it seems that the congress and the senate and some of America's allies in Europe and the region are pushing for a much tougher response and wants a repeat of the Libya exercise. The way that the media is portraying things in Syria doesn't help either. So far the troop movement has been very limited just four destroyers and there are a few F-16's in Jordan left from a exercise earlier this year.

    On Syria, Obama says no rush toward costly interventions
     
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    What remains unmentioned in this whole affair is that the last time chemical weapons were used in Syria. There was a international panel set up to investigate the claims headed by the former chief prosecutor of the ex-Yugoslavia tribunal in The Hague Carla Del Ponte. She and her team ended up blaming the rebels for the chemical attack and the whole affair led a silent death and wasn't talked about anymore. Stronger then that this was the period that the Obama people began the policy of arming the rebels. Now there is a new and much bigger chemical attack in Syria and without any evidence the Western and Gulf leaders and the media is already starting to blame the al-Assad government and warships are being send to the Syrian coast. What is then the message to the rest of the world ? That its OK to use chemical weapons as long as we like you and consider you as one of the good guys ? We also need to ask the question that if the rebels are people who are willing to use chemical weapons against innocent civilians just so they can blame it on the government in order to trigger a military intervention, then are these the kind of people that we want to hand Syria over to ? Are these the kind of people that we want to call our allies and friends ? These are not people that have a very high moral standing. There are not enough questions being asked about what will happen in Syria the day after al-Assad is gone and who are the people that we are supporting to replace him.

    [video=youtube;TdcEjjOvniU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdcEjjOvniU[/video]
     
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    It seems that we are heading towards war against Syria. The first article is about the Syrians accepting a UN investigation over the chemical attack, but is rejected as too little and too late by the US and its allies. The second article is about how the US, UK and France is ready to attack Syria in two weeks.

    Syrian offer on UN team 'too little, too late' | World news | The Guardian

    Syria: Britain and US pledge to use force against Assad's forces within two weeks - Middle East - World - The Independent
     
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