Strategic implications of Chinese/US AI development

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  1. antiterror13
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    The delay would impact everybody, not only China. Or perhaps the fire was where the Chinese orders were being made ... sabotage :p:p:p
     
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    now I read
    China's core AI industry to exceed 145 bln USD by 2030: report
    Xinhua| 2018-12-09 03:19:48 http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-12/09/c_137660142.htm

     
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    This is seems to be a very big breakthrough, as this equipment can make chips of the highest specifications that are comparable to what ASML does. 10 nm and below is current state of the art.

    How much advertisement has this gotten from the Chinese written media and Chinese language social media sources? Because for something as sophisticated as this, which shows that China has developed chip manufacturing equipment that can greatly reduce its dependency on imported sources, it has hardly elicited commentary among English language platforms.

    Various Chinese chip makers and chip designers should test this equipment out and it should after that be reproduced on a commercial scale and used to make high specs chips. Jinhua Fujian will definitely welcome this for sure if it proves to be effect.
     
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    you're new here, so, if I were you, I'd be careful about
    Source:Globaltimes.cn
     
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    Weasel might be new here But he is knowledgeable long time and keen China watcher in CDF
    No it is not propaganda
    Chinese semiconductor research has been going on for some time Recently beef up by returnee from US, Japan and other western university
    Before that have hard time convincing the establish semi elite because those elite worshiped western tech
    But now they no choice As I said this trade war and effort to slow down Chinese progress is futile and blessing in disguise for Chinese tech
     
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    Semi releated to the subject is the latest "top 500" list of the worlds most powerful supercomputers. Usa in blue and China in red.
    The last few years progress is remarkable considering how long it took them to even get a single entry to stay on the list.
     
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    congrats
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    dug out Jul 29, 2018
     
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    The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If China and Chinese tech companies like Huawei are truly worried about semiconductor tech restrictions and exclusions being placed on it by the US and its allies, as they should be, they should really check this equipment out.

    I know of Global Times, and while nationalistic, a lot of what it says has some truth, and this not an opinion piece, it is a report. Additionally, Hendrik_2000 did earlier give a posting of an even more detailed source on the same issue.

    If a Chinese entity does have the capability of EUV technology and making chips of 10 nm it is something that should be applied and replicated commercially.
     
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    It is one thing to announce you have some results and another to make a production worthy system. For example ASML has supplied their first EUV litho prototypes several years ago and only now are some chip manufacturers using limited rate production tools and only in a few steps of the production process.

    All I'm saying is, it's nice that there is progress in the Chinese litho tools sector but do not expect this to be used in production in the short term. Also the clients be would either semiconductor foundries or someone who has their own fabs like memory manufacturers. Huawei outsources their chip production. What Huawei could and IMHO should do is to use partners in China, like SMIC, to manufacture as many chips as they can. I am fairly certain not every single chip product they manufacture or require needs a leading edge manufacturing process.
     
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    This is a step in the right direction nonetheless. It will take a few years before this equipment becomes commercially capable, but if this report is true, coupled with the fact that with respect to semiconductors Moore's law is coming near its limits, it is indeed a big breakthrough for China and proves that China is capable of making state of the art chips. And as you say Chinese tech companies like Huawei should as much as possible try to produce their own high tech chips and it is in China's national interest, given a determined US plotted conspiracy to selectively control and deny it access to advanced tech such as chips and chip making equipment from sources throughout the world, that there be alternative robust domestic Chinese owned suppliers for ALL aspects of tech. Then the US will not be able to blackmail China as it is doing now.
     
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