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Khalij e Fars

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Congratulations to Tian Tao on his world gold medal!

He likes to make it dramatic as always... His snatch seems hit and miss but he always makes his third attempt to save the day lol. Still got the double dip in the c&j but hits 230kg+ again which is very impressive.

Congratulations also to Zhiyong, Dayin and Xiaojun - all are incredible athletes and among the very best in the world.
 

manqiangrexue

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Congratulations to Tian Tao on his world gold medal!

He likes to make it dramatic as always... His snatch seems hit and miss but he always makes his third attempt to save the day lol. Still got the double dip in the c&j but hits 230kg+ again which is very impressive.

Congratulations also to Zhiyong, Dayin and Xiaojun - all are incredible athletes and among the very best in the world.
Tian Tao's consistency is just terrible and always keeps fans at the edge of their seats. The Chinese commentator said that in training, Tian Tao has such mastery over 175kg that if you woke him up in the middle of the night and told him to lift it, he could do it. Yet he missed twice before making 180 on his third attempt. Heart-attack-inducing style of lifting.

I also noticed the "double dip" has returned and I'm sure the judge and jury were all watching for it since it's become a talked-about thing for such a high-profile athlete, but since they didn't ever call him out for it, I think they don't care. I think they don't necessarily consider that a double dip because the double dip is really a technique to swing the bar up and down so the weightlifter can catch it on an upswing, making his jerk lighter. That's what's illegal. But Tian Tao doesn't really bend his legs; he just slightly unlocks and re-locks his knees an instant before jerking. I know exactly why he does that; it doesn't swing the bar up, but it allows his knees to get reacquainted with the weight after standing with legs locked resting for those couple of seconds. Without it, sometimes, it's a shock feeling such a heavy weight with bent legs at the beginning of the dip for the jerk.

Hope Rostami recovers quickly. He should; the injury looks very light.
 

Khalij e Fars

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Tian Tao's consistency is just terrible and always keeps fans at the edge of their seats. The Chinese commentator said that in training, Tian Tao has such mastery over 175kg that if you woke him up in the middle of the night and told him to lift it, he could do it. Yet he missed twice before making 180 on his third attempt. Heart-attack-inducing style of lifting.

I also noticed the "double dip" has returned and I'm sure the judge and jury were all watching for it since it's become a talked-about thing for such a high-profile athlete, but since they didn't ever call him out for it, I think they don't care. I think they don't necessarily consider that a double dip because the double dip is really a technique to swing the bar up and down so the weightlifter can catch it on an upswing, making his jerk lighter. That's what's illegal. But Tian Tao doesn't really bend his legs; he just slightly unlocks and re-locks his knees an instant before jerking. I know exactly why he does that; it doesn't swing the bar up, but it allows his knees to get reacquainted with the weight after standing with legs locked resting for those couple of seconds. Without it, sometimes, it's a shock feeling such a heavy weight with bent legs at the beginning of the dip for the jerk.

Hope Rostami recovers quickly. He should; the injury looks very light.
Yes he doesn't make it easy for his fans' blood pressure but at least he always makes the lift in the end which is the important thing lol.

Well actually for his first clean and jerk lift one judge did disallow it so it was passed by a majority decision and the jury did not intervene. That was a clear double dip in my opinion - the issue is that he lifts the bar off his shoulders slightly then lets it begin falling back down before quickly beginning his actual lift. The third lift was better though.

Rostami is a huge disappointment and I think he has some mental problems (just my own suspicions lol). He is never with the national camp/team, even in the press conference and photos before this tournament the entire Iranian team was there but I did not see him! He has had so many problems in adjusting to the higher weight class and bombed out before, yet he decided to make his entry lift here 180kg! That would be a new PB for him - what possessed him to start with a new PB considering how out of form he has been!? Then his team messed up with the rules which confused the guys running the event and he had to wait for some minutes extra because they called the wrong lifter up, which is his excuse now, but it's not very convincing. He should have started with 170-174kg and get something on the board, but to start with 180kg was really arrogant and just stupid.

If Moradi is back in 2020 I am confident he will win gold because his snatch is significantly superior to Tao's and Moradi is far more consistent with his lifts in general, but I am not sure how he will be able to qualify even which is ridiculous considering he is clearly the best in this weight class.

Anyway, excited to see Yang Zhe at 109kg - very strong weight class this year!
 

manqiangrexue

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Yes he doesn't make it easy for his fans' blood pressure but at least he always makes the lift in the end which is the important thing lol.

Well actually for his first clean and jerk lift one judge did disallow it so it was passed by a majority decision and the jury did not intervene. That was a clear double dip in my opinion - the issue is that he lifts the bar off his shoulders slightly then lets it begin falling back down before quickly beginning his actual lift. The third lift was better though.
It doesn't depart his shoulders at all. If it did, it would be a clear double dip that couldn't pass by any judge even once. I don't see any movement off the shoulders, just a slight shiver through the bar from his knees locking and unlocking. That red light is possibly because his right shoulder almost flexed backwards, which, in some angle, might look like elbow movement.
Rostami is a huge disappointment and I think he has some mental problems (just my own suspicions lol). He is never with the national camp/team, even in the press conference and photos before this tournament the entire Iranian team was there but I did not see him! He has had so many problems in adjusting to the higher weight class and bombed out before, yet he decided to make his entry lift here 180kg! That would be a new PB for him - what possessed him to start with a new PB considering how out of form he has been!? Then his team messed up with the rules which confused the guys running the event and he had to wait for some minutes extra because they called the wrong lifter up, which is his excuse now, but it's not very convincing. He should have started with 170-174kg and get something on the board, but to start with 180kg was really arrogant and just stupid.
I do think Rostami is a bit crazy. The extra wait time for him was only 3 minutes to clear up the situation (I counted from the video) and he got visibly upset. In weightlifting, extra 3 minutes can be caused by anything including other lifters missing, things going to jury deliberation, others decreasing weight, etc... He should be absolutely ready for that but he was so angry and that destroyed his mentality for lifting. His second and third 180 looked like they could have been successful but obviously on the third time, his arm was injured so it failed. Then, he got up and told the judges that he was going to snatch 195!!! if he hadn't got sabotaged! That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. If he could snatch 195, there is no amount of technical difficulty that would cause him to miss 180 three times.
If Moradi is back in 2020 I am confident he will win gold because his snatch is significantly superior to Tao's and Moradi is far more consistent with his lifts in general, but I am not sure how he will be able to qualify even which is ridiculous considering he is clearly the best in this weight class.

Anyway, excited to see Yang Zhe at 109kg - very strong weight class this year!
Moradi in his prime, certainly, but he's getting older on top of having multiple injuries stack up. Ilyin was considered immortal when he was in his prime but after his 2 years off, he just hasn't been able to recover. It will all depend on whether or not Moradi can recover at age 31. People get old and injured; nobody can be the best forever.

I think the most ridiculous thing is that Lu Xiaojun and Li Dayin can't both go to Tokyo in the 81kg class.
 

Khalij e Fars

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It doesn't depart his shoulders at all. If it did, it would be a clear double dip that couldn't pass by any judge even once. I don't see any movement off the shoulders, just a slight shiver through the bar from his knees locking and unlocking. That red light is possibly because his right shoulder almost flexed backwards, which, in some angle, might look like elbow movement.

I do think Rostami is a bit crazy. The extra wait time for him was only 3 minutes to clear up the situation (I counted from the video) and he got visibly upset. In weightlifting, extra 3 minutes can be caused by anything including other lifters missing, things going to jury deliberation, others decreasing weight, etc... He should be absolutely ready for that but he was so angry and that destroyed his mentality for lifting. His second and third 180 looked like they could have been successful but obviously on the third time, his arm was injured so it failed. Then, he got up and told the judges that he was going to snatch 195!!! if he hadn't got sabotaged! That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. If he could snatch 195, there is no amount of technical difficulty that would cause him to miss 180 three times.

Moradi in his prime, certainly, but he's getting older on top of having multiple injuries stack up. Ilyin was considered immortal when he was in his prime but after his 2 years off, he just hasn't been able to recover. It will all depend on whether or not Moradi can recover at age 31. People get old and injured; nobody can be the best forever.

I think the most ridiculous thing is that Lu Xiaojun and Li Dayin can't both go to Tokyo in the 81kg class.
I didn't watch it again since but it seemed very similar to his clean and jerk lift of 226kg (?) from last year which was a clear double dip violation (but allowed by the judges), so maybe you are right about this lift.

Yes I agree, coaches always change their entries as a tactical game which changes the order of lifting many times (and quickly), so that is a bad excuse from Kianoush. I didn't see what he was saying at the end when he was speaking to the jury, but if he really said he was going to snatch 195kg then that confirms my suspicions about his mental health... If Moradi said that it would be believable because Moradi has snatched 200kg and 205kg in training, but Rostami is coming from snatching 172kg 5 months ago and his PB is 179kg (from many years ago) so he is clearly delusional ... This is a guy that thought he could coach himself and never associates himself with the national federation/camp, so it's not surprising for me. Although very disappointing because at 85kg he was excellent.

Moradi is in his prime now, in the last 2-4 years he has returned from a 2 year ban (not for steroids, for methadone which is an opioid for pain management, but that's another matter) and broke all the records at 94kg and 96kg. He didn't compete much before then so it's not like he is a veteran. You can't compare Ilya with Moradi, Ilya had a very long extended period at the top then was busted for PEDs and banned for many years and since he returned he looked like a totally different guy.

Every weightlifter has injuries and I agree that will be what causes Moradi's decline eventually (especially his complicated spinal issue which he didn't get surgery on in the end for some reason...), but I don't think that will be any time soon. I think he will stay at the top for another 2-3 years at least. It's good that there are young guys like Fares Elbakh and Rivas coming through as well, Fares in particular can be a strong top 3 guy within a few years.

That is a problem for many sports, but in weightlifting usually countries could send more than one guy to a division - I guess that rule changed?
 

manqiangrexue

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I didn't watch it again since but it seemed very similar to his clean and jerk lift of 226kg (?) from last year which was a clear double dip violation (but allowed by the judges), so maybe you are right about this lift.

Yes I agree, coaches always change their entries as a tactical game which changes the order of lifting many times (and quickly), so that is a bad excuse from Kianoush. I didn't see what he was saying at the end when he was speaking to the jury, but if he really said he was going to snatch 195kg then that confirms my suspicions about his mental health... If Moradi said that it would be believable because Moradi has snatched 200kg and 205kg in training, but Rostami is coming from snatching 172kg 5 months ago and his PB is 179kg (from many years ago) so he is clearly delusional ... This is a guy that thought he could coach himself and never associates himself with the national federation/camp, so it's not surprising for me. Although very disappointing because at 85kg he was excellent.

Moradi is in his prime now, in the last 2-4 years he has returned from a 2 year ban (not for steroids, for methadone which is an opioid for pain management, but that's another matter) and broke all the records at 94kg and 96kg. He didn't compete much before then so it's not like he is a veteran. You can't compare Ilya with Moradi, Ilya had a very long extended period at the top then was busted for PEDs and banned for many years and since he returned he looked like a totally different guy.

Every weightlifter has injuries and I agree that will be what causes Moradi's decline eventually (especially his complicated spinal issue which he didn't get surgery on in the end for some reason...), but I don't think that will be any time soon. I think he will stay at the top for another 2-3 years at least. It's good that there are young guys like Fares Elbakh and Rivas coming through as well, Fares in particular can be a strong top 3 guy within a few years.

That is a problem for many sports, but in weightlifting usually countries could send more than one guy to a division - I guess that rule changed?
Tian Tao's dip was much milder than last year. His 230 was barely noticeable at all even on replay while looking for it.

Correct, Rostami got up, spoke English to the judges, pointing at them with his finger. He said, "I came here for the world record today. But somebody don't want me to make it. I was going to make 195, but they try to make me fail. Thank you very much." Before someone got on stage to escort him off but he left by himself.

Well as for Moradi vs Ilyin, I would never say that one is the same as the other because they are the same age; I was simply saying that for every great athlete, there is that time when you find that you just can't lift like you used to anymore. That's a different time for everyone and every champion has a different period of time for which s/he is dominant. Some people can be champion to 35. Some people are toast at age 23. Some people lift world records at age 17 while others don't get good until age 25. Some are triple Olympic champion while others go 1 World Champion and never shine again. So we don't know about Moradi, but we will see for sure.

Fares has improved tremendously in a few months. I don't know if it is permanent solid improvement or that he was just on fire today but if he keeps growing like this, I don't know if Tian Tao can beat him in Tokyo.

Yes, the rule was changed. At the Olympics, there can no longer be 2 athletes from the same country in the same weight class. So we cannot see Lu Xiaojun fight Li Dayin again...
 
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in the deciding game (begins at 05:23:00 in
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quickly blundered and lost two pawns in the opening LOL I know what happens then: adrenaline kicks in,

and he soon got a winning position against the opponent who'd been "safe" LOL some things are the same irrespective if it's in a local pub or at world-class level

by the way the price money difference (after this game either leaving the tournament or staying) was at minimum $15k if I'm not mistaken; he'll play
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manqiangrexue

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Okey dokey boy and girls. The 2019 World Weightlifting Championships have concluded and here is the summary:

Of the 20 total classed, 14 are Olympic classes which are the most heavily-contested. The non-Olympic classes China ignored because of athlete quota. Of these 14 classes, each class is divided into the snatch, clean and jerk, and total, meaning 2 small medals (snatch and clean and jerk) and 1 large medal (total) in each event.

China contested 13 classes and won large (total score) medals in all 13. 10 were gold; 2 were silver, and 1 was bronze. No other country won more than 1. This does not count duplicates in the same category where China won gold and silver or gold and bronze. If there is a duplicate (which there were in 6 of the 13 categories where both Chinese athletes made it to the podium) only the best medal is presented. So 10 out of 14 large for the People's Republic of China.

When it comes to all medals, there are 14 classes, 3 per class for a total of 42. China won 29 of the 42 gold medals and the runner ups are Georgia, Armenia, and North Korea with 3 each.

China sent a full roster of 20 athletes, 19 of whom earned at least one medal and 14 earned at least one gold medal. 1 person did not due to injury.

When it comes to world records, China created 13 standing world records, which does not count ones that were created, then beaten by another world record at the same competition. The runner ups are North Korea and Georgia with 3 each.

There are a total of 39 standing world records; there could/should be 42 because 14 classes with 3 each is 42 but 3 of them are world standards which have not been achieved by anyone. Of the 39 world records in existance, China currently owns 23 (three of which are awaiting final disqualification of the Thai athletes who tested positive last year so they are to be stripped and given to China. This can be a long legal process but never fails once the A sample is positive). The runner ups are Armenia, Georgia, and North Korea, each with 3 standing world records.

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China win Women's Volleyball World Cup title with perfect 10 straight victories
Source: Xinhua| 2019-09-28 15:59:28|Editor: ZX

OSAKA, Japan, Sept. 28 (Xinhua) -- Defending champions China lifted the FIVB Women's Volleyball World Cup trophy with perfect 10 straight wins after easing past Serbia 3-0 here on Saturday.

China cuised to victory against the world champions, which sent a young squad for the tournament, in straight sets of 25-14, 25-21, 25-16, winning the World Cup for the fifth time and have collected a total of 10 major trophies, including three from Olympics and two from world championships.

China have boasted a perfect record so far in the tournament, securing the World Cup top podium with one round remaining in the 12-team round-robin tournament.

China's last opponents will be Argentina and are poised to wrap up the World Cup with all wins.
Result so far from FIVB website,

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