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    Anyone else notice the fine tradition of almost certainly deliberate mistranslation of Chinese continuing in the western media?

    The Chinese media headline is best translated as karma/Comeuppance, yet they translated it as ‘revenge’, which is just plain wrong, and has obvious negative connotations.

    To me, it’s little surprise that it is Australia that has sparked all this BS hate in the first place, since their racism and racial superiority complex has deep historical roots and was/is only marginally less extreme than Apartheid South Africa’s.

    To many racist bigots, the only way a non-white could beat one of the chosen race is if they were cheating.

    That’s why Horton’s spoilt brat behaviour has found so much traction and support amongst almost exclusively white media pundits and athletes.
     
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    Personally I like the part where the Chinese side said it was divine intervention. You can see everyone that supported Horton are trying to divert attention by pointing to the process where Shayna Jack was sent home while Sun got to compete... and the process okayed that. They want to distract that everyone who supported Horton's act were saying they were playing a clean game. Even Shayna Jack in the past has said she's against doping. Someone spiked her supplements? Like I mentioned before if it wasn't her, then it was her coach, the staff, and/or the team doctors meaning they don't play a clean sport. She claims she didn't willingly take PEDs? So does that means every Australian swimmer is potentially taking PEDs without knowing it? That's what she's saying when she's denying willingly taking PEDs.
     
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    In the past China had a doping proram, and that sort of things have a tendency to stick with some believing that it still continues.
    Australian swimming claims zero tolerance and yet tthey selected Fraser Holmes as part of the swim team despite him having served a 12 month ban for 3 missed drug test. In my book thats worse than anything Sun Yang supposedly did.
     
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    If the supplements are spiked then maybe the whole team is doing it. It's possible she metabolized the drug (24hr half life) slower than the others and it didn't go below detection limit in her bloodstream. Either that or the testers improved their detection limit.

    Either way, it's an experimental new drug so they probably didn't expect to get caught. The Western MSM and populace will eventually sweep it under the rug and act like it was nothing. As of now, the number of outlets covering it is quite small, as expected.
     
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    What I read is the drug she used even says it'll stay in the body for 8-13 weeks after using. She probably mistimed it and/or was unlucky when the random blood test came along before the world championships.
     
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    It seems like I need to retract my statement about its availability (I'm not a bodybuilder so I know nothing about doping drugs). It is easily acquired from websites.
    I guess they're not even sophisticated about it.

    here's a paper on detecting it in urine up to 7 days after use:
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/dta.1986

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303720717300539?via=ihub
    mass spec in urine



    I think if they used urine (seems like the standard) for the test, it's likely that she was doping less than a week before the tests.
     
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    Normally, the Australian media is notoriously biased. But this write-up cleans up that image somewhat.


    Australian swimming: A bad look when you lose the moral high ground to a shamed swimmer

    Andrew Webster23:28, Jul 29 2019

    OPINION: You know things aren't going particularly well when you lose the moral high ground to a disgraced Chinese swimmer facing a possible lifetime ban for smashing blood samples with a hammer.

    Alas, that's where Australian swimming finds itself after 20-year-old freestyler Shayna Jack tested positive to the banned substance Ligandrol — just days after Australia's Mack Horton and his teammates blowtorched FINA over allowing Chinese star Sun Yang to compete at the world champs in South Korea.

    Oops.

    Since news broke of Jack's positive test, there's been a blur of statements and Instagram posts declaring her innocence; that this has all been a big mistake; Shayna's a great girl; this is out of character; she'd never knowingly take an illegal substance; it's probably a contaminated sample; or it could be something she ate, something her manager tossed up on Monday.
    Aussie swimmer takes a stand

    Mack Horton had no idea his teammate had failed a doping test when he protested against Sun Yang.


    Meanwhile, Sun Yang remains the most loathed sporting figure from a non-English speaking country since Russian fighter Ivan Drago slugged it out with Rocky Balboa in Rocky IV.

    The gobsmacking hypocrisy of the commentary surrounding the two doping cases shows why Australian swimmers and their mouthpieces should approach any moral high ground with extreme caution, especially so with the Tokyo Olympics just around the corner.

    True, this country has long fought the good fight against drug cheating, as it should.

    We grinned and beared it and still did our best while juiced-up athletes from Eastern Bloc countries stole gold from us at Olympic Games and world champs in the 1970s.

    We were one of the first to set-up an anti-doping drug agency and become a member of WADA.

    And we rubbed out the greatest cricketer of the modern era in Shane Warne for a year for simply wanting to get rid of a double chin before he went on TV, admittedly with the help of a banned diuretic.

    But we also often have the loudest voices when it comes to doping, despite having an ugly little history of cheating in our own backyard.

    The loudest voice in the last week has belonged to the legendary Dawn Fraser. Last Wednesday, on Channel Nine's Today, she took out the machine gun.

    "They (FINA) shouldn't have allowed this guy to swim," she said of Sun Yang. "Because he is a drug cheat, we all know that! He smashed his blood vials, he got a security man in to smash his blood vials, and he comes up to court in September.

    "Why didn't they stop him swimming and give the other guys, who want to do a clean sport, the opportunity of doing their best times and not have to swim against a drug cheat?"

    "Drug cheat" is becoming a very over-used term in sport.

    Presumably, Fraser branded Sun a "drug cheat" because of the events of 2014 when he tested positive to the banned stimulant trimetazidine, which had been placed on WADA's in-competition banned list earlier that year.

    Sun claimed that he was taking the substance because of a heart condition and that he didn't know it was prohibited. His critics say he should've and, at the very least, asked for an exemption so he could take it because of his medical condition.

    He was banned for three months and Chinese authorities didn't tell anyone. Drug cheat or innocent mistake? You be the judge. Oh wait, you already have been.

    Yet to brand Sun Yang a "drug cheat" because of the recent controversy involving smashed vials of blood is premature.

    Does he not deserve the same presumption of innocence until we hear all the evidence laid out, just like Shayna Jack?

    The idea of Sun Yang holding the light of his camera phone over the blood vial while his bodyguard smashes it with a hammer conjures all sorts of scandalous imagery.

    As always, people conveniently overlook the detail around what allegedly happened that night last September when drug testers popped round to check his urine and blood.

    His claim that the samples shouldn't have been taken because the official didn't have the correct accreditation was supported by a FINA panel, which included members from Switzerland, Algeria and Canada. It exonerated Sun of any testing violation.

    If I had someone taking blood tests that will determine the course of my professional career, I'd want them to have the right pieces of paper, too. Then again, I wouldn't have given them any blood in the first place.

    WADA has elevated the matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Sun has asked for the hearing in September to be public. It will be intriguing to hear what's aired, not least claims that a second vial of blood exists.

    And should CAS find in the Chinese swimmer's favour? What moral high ground will Horton and Frasers and others take then?

    And will Horton still feel emboldened to take the same stance at the Olympics in Tokyo next year as he did at these world championships, when he stood down from the podium after finishing second to Sun in the men's 400 metres freestyle?

    Oddly, no reporter in the country could get Fraser on the phone yesterday to see what she thought about Jack's positive tests.

    It didn't matter because that other rent-a-quote, former ASADA boss Richard Ings, has been speaking to anyone who would listen.

    He was all over Twitter on the weekend, blasting Swimming Australia for how it had handled Jack's positive drug samples.

    SA stands accused of trying to "cover up" the Jack case while Horton and his teammates were beating their chests at the worlds about clean sport and Sun Yang and so on … Oops.

    Ings, as he often does, went off half-cocked.

    "If Swimming Australia are suggesting that their anti-doping policy, approved by ASADA, forbids them from announcing the Jack provisional suspension, they are wrong," Ings posted.

    He then attached a copy of the ASADA code that shows exactly how the sport cannot release the provisional suspension unless the athlete allows it — something ASADA again made clear late yesterday with its own statement.

    The talk around the pool at the world championships for the past week was about Jack withdrawing at the last minute for "personal reasons". Any journalist worth his or her salt suspected what that meant. Any athlete would know, too.

    Despite this, Australian swimmers used the international stage to spray drug cheats, taking a moral high ground that should always be approached with caution.


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    Trimetazidine was a substance found in his heart medication. For him to get permission, he had to be aware beforehand that Trimetazidine was prohibited, but according to him, he did not know.
     
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    Sun has been taking the mediation since 2008. 5-6 years later, the medication was put on the ban list.
    All Sun has to do then is to apply for exemption which he would have gotten and did.
    I do not see any reason why he would have take the medication while knowing about the ban and then lied about it, because that make no sense.

    China's Sun served three-month ban for doping test - Reuters
    NOVEMBER 24, 2014 / 3:35 PM / 5 YEARS AGO
    China's Sun served three-month ban for doping test

    (Reuters) - China’s world and Olympic swimming champion Sun Yang served a three-month ban earlier this year after testing positive for a banned stimulant, the China Anti-Doping Agency (CHINADA) said on Monday.

    The agency said Sun had tested positive for trimetazidine, a substance normally used to treat angina. The stimulant was added to the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA) banned list this year.

    “I have taken many doping tests during years of training and competition and I had never failed one before,” Sun told China’s official Xinhua news agency.

    “I was shocked and depressed at that time, but at the same time it made me cherish my sporting life even more. I will take it as a lesson and be more careful in the future.”

    CHINADA said Sun tested positive in May during the national swimming championships and although the result was “not very serious” it still warranted a penalty.

    Sun was also fined 5,000 RMB ($816) while officials from his provincial swim team were also handed unspecified penalties.

    “Sun Yang in this matter was not completely responsible and the positive test is his mistake, but the mistake is not very serious or negligent,” CHINADA deputy director Zhao Jian said.

    “Because of this, the three-month ban is reasonable.”

    Xinhua said Sun had waived his right to have his ‘B sample’ tested but had defended himself at a hearing in July, saying he had been prescribed the drug for heart palpitations he has suffered since 2008 and was unaware that it was recently banned.

    Trimetazidine was added to WADA’s banned list, which is updated annually, in January this year as an “example to reflect emerging patterns of drug use.”

    ‘HUGE BAD NEWS’
    Sun served his suspension in time to represent China at the Incheon Asian Games in South Korea in late September, where he won three gold medals.

    He did not mention the suspension in Incheon and CHINADA said it did not immediately announce the sanction because it only reveals positive tests every three months.

    “Sun is the most famous athlete in China and is known in the world, which means we need to handle his case very cautiously. This is huge bad news but we will not cover it up,” said Zhao.

    “We announce positive cases and test statistics in our quarterly reports just as WADA requires.”

    Sun burst into the international spotlight when he won the 400m and 1,500 freestyle events at the London Games in 2012, becoming the first Chinese man to win Olympic swimming gold.

    The 22-year-old has also won five world titles, holds the world record for 1,500m, and is one of China’s best known and controversial sportsmen.

    In early 2013 he was suspended from engaging in commercial activities after missing training and breaching team rules.

    Later that year he was ordered to spend a week in a detention center after crashing a car that he had driven without a license.

    China’s swimming authorities slapped a blanket suspension on him, banning him from all training and competition, before he made his return at the National Championships.

    (Refiled to fix headline)
    Writing by Julian Linden; Editing by Peter Rutherford​
     
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    Well of course some are being critical of Australian swimming authorities now because you would lose all credibility continually taking the hypocritical position. It's like being sorry after you were caught doing wrong. Even Horton's statement rides the middle of a canned lawyer answer not defending nor admitting hypocrisy. I was reading a summary from an Associated Press article of the events of the World Championship and they mention the Horton protest against Sun but guess what...? No mention of Shayna Jack being exposed as a drug cheat. I didn't watch the World Championship but I read the Chinese in the stands were a loud bunch there after the Jack revelation. Normally they would paint the Chinese as being rude but I never came across any suggestion because everyone knows the Chinese have that right after the outlandish hypocrisy. The Chinese should be unleashing hell after this especially on the Australian team.

    I would smash samples too if someone claiming to be an official doing random drug tests doesn't show credentials. They could taint the samples themselves. They don't believe they would do that like they would never take PEDs. They want everyone to believe that Jack didn't do it on purpose and someone else spiked her supplements but no one would ever do that to the Chinese... You don't think some tabloid would be low enough to try something like that?
     
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