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    Earlier on (i cant find the thread) someone posted a SCMP article on the state of Chinese soccer.In short tthe article quoted highly paid European coaches as saying china won't be good enough to compete at the world Cup level for a long time because the players lack the will, skill and team spirit. They essentially attribute this to China's one child policy....... ....(We have all read about the perceived negatives on this, so there is no need to elaborate )
     
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    It's a matter of degrees but conceptually those behaviors are the same. Club owners are still behaving like "communists" within their own circle even if their drive is to behave like a cartel towards others. It's the same thing if players formed a union in order to drive up total pay for all players, benchwarmers could make more but not necessarily the same as star players. Players would be behaving like "communists" within their own circle while their drive is to behave like a cartel towards others, same as the club owners.
     
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    England loose to Croatia. England played well in the first half and Croatia the second.

    I have often thought that because Australia was permitted to leave the much harder South Pacific nation pathway and enter the Asian zone, why can't China compete in the zone for cCentral Asia then let Hong Kong, stacked with Chinese mainlanders compete in the Asian zone.
     
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    Croatia is the dark horse of the tournament! They have been consistently playing good defense as well. I won't be surprise if they beat France to win the whole thing.
     
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    My early prediction is that France will finally win the champion because France has played low profile but it passes barriers one after another. Croatia has no history of winning World Cup championship. Let's see!
     
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    What "Central Asia", or the "much harder South Pacific"?

    First, FIFA qualifying are divided into 6 zones:

    1. Asia (containing the Middle East, Central, South, East, Southeast Asia & Australia)
    2. Africa
    3. North & Central America, & Caribbean islands
    4. South America
    5. Oceania (Pacific islands sans Australia)
    6. Europe

    All of these zones were guaranteed spots into the World Cup, some more than others, with the exception of one zone, that being Oceania. Oceania is considered the weakest zones of them all. Winning the Oceania qualifying rounds does not guarantee entry into the World Cup. The "hard" part is because the top team of the Oceania qualifiers (New Zealand, in this edition), had to play a 2-legged play-off tie with the 5th placed team from South America (Peru), a much stronger footballing continent.

    It wasn't always the case to have a play-off against a South American team, it used to face off against teams from Europe as well. Needless to say, when Australia was still under Oceania, they almost always were its champions, but would come up short when faced with either a South American or European team.

    Then, starting with the 2006 World Cup, Australia petitioned to join the Asian Football Confederation, with the idea that it would be easier to qualify for the World Cup being the top 4 Asian teams, than to keep playing much stronger Latin American or European teams. It's considered a win-win for the Asian Confederation as well, as Australia's entry is seen as a boost to Asian football development.

    As for China:

    East Asia & Central Asia are still under the Asian zone, they are not separate. Only the top 4 teams (plus a fifth, but that's a play-off against a North/Central American team) from Asia can qualify. Doesn't matter if one is from East Asia, or Central Asia, they still share that same 4+1 spots.

    The only "realistic" switch that China could make is to the Oceania group, and that's REALLY stretching it. But even if they are allowed into Oceania, they would then still have to play against a South American team in the end. Same result.
     
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    Whoops, I confused myself.In reference to Asian football I have often heard two federations talked about. There's the Asian Football Confederation and then there is the Central Asian Confederation.
    Well if you think China playing in the Oceania grouping is a bit of a stretch it's not impossible when one considers Xinjiangas part of central Asiand Kazakhstan leaving the Asian grouping and playing in the European grouping where I think it played against Poland Belgium?
    Anyway with the competing teamsincreased to 48 teams in 2022/26?and with Asia alloted 8.5 compared to the current 4.5 slots, China's chances of qualifying have been improved.
     
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    I'm not surprised England lost. Newspapers were referring to England's effort as a 'fairy tale performances'. But as we all know all fairy tales must come to a end.
     
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    Yeah, the Asian zone is so huge and geographically diverse, that it in turn has many sub-regional "federation/confederations" as well. And the gulf in quality between them are quite significant too. The strongest sub-regions would be Eastern and Western (Middle East). Australia and some Central Asian teams are quite strong as well. But this is only in relation among Asian teams. On the global stage, Asian football standards are really quite some ways below their Latin American and European counterparts.

    Many sub regions hold their own regional championships, like the Southeast Asian Cup, the East Asian, South Asian, and maybe others too.

    At the onset of the dissolution of the USSR, all the Central former republics first joined the AFC (Asia). But I think teams like Kazakhstan realised later that their footballing future would be better served under UEFA (Eurpoe), where they could enter the prestigious UEFA Champions' League for club football. But qualifying from Europe to the World Cup is magnitudes harder compared to from Asia. As a titbit, Israel was part of AFC too. They were in fact the winners of the first Asian Cup.

    Yeah, the World Cup would be expanded to 48 teams after the next edition. Haha, I didn't know that Asia would be getting this many places! In this case, China SHOULD really ought to qualify, otherwise it would be rather hilarious. I don't think Asia should be getting this many spots though, as their standards aren't that competitive.

    But I think China can be patient with their national team. Football is a highly competitive and advanced sport, where the whole world had been pumping billions and playing and advancing the skills and tactics for more than a century. China has many more stressing issues to address now. When China's society has progressed to a certain prosperity, then they will find forms of sporting entertainment for themselves. This could be football, or some other sport. They will find their own sporting excellence.
     
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    Either way, the English team played better than expected even without star player such as Wayne Rooney not in the squad this year.
     
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