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United States enacts 'South China Sea Initiative'

Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
25 November 2015

US President Barack Obama signed into law on 25 November the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2016, providing legal framework for the United States to expand defence trade and related collaboration with countries in Southeast Asia.

The legislation introduces a 'South China Sea Initiative' through which the US Secretary of Defense is authorised, in concurrence with the Secretary of State, to undertake activities intended to "increase maritime security and maritime domain awareness of foreign countries along the South China Sea".

The law outlines a requirement for the United States to provide assistance to "national military or other security forces of such countries that have among their functional responsibilities maritime security missions; and to provide training to ministry, agency, and headquarter-level organisations for such forces".

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Naval Today said:
The U.S. Navy’s destroyer USS Stethem teamed with People’s Liberation Army-Navy PLA(N) guided-missile frigate Xuzhou (FFG 530) to practice the Code for Unplanned Encounters at Sea (CUES) and conduct a search-and-rescue (SAR) exercise on November 20.

The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile ship, Stethem (DDG 63) concluded a scheduled port visit to PLA(N) East Sea Fleet of Shanghai that same day, where crew members of both ships took part in cultural exchanges, ship tours and receptions.

Lieutenant Erika Betancourt, Stethem’s operations officer, said:

This is our second visit to China in three months, the strides we have made in our partnership and operational cooperation improve both our ability to conduct exercises and our interactions at sea.

CUES, a set of procedures endorsed by naval leaders at the Western Pacific Naval Symposium in April 2014, is a guideline for unplanned maritime encounters while at sea, providing standards for communication, safety procedures, and maneuvering instructions for naval ships and aircraft.

Stethem and Xuzhou rendezvoused and used CUES as a signaling protocol to indicate ship maneuvering, and passed Morse code to one another.

In the later course of the exercise, Xuzhou dropped a search-and-rescue dummy in the water, which was then retrieved by one of Stethem’s small boats.
Despite what some folks and news outlets want to try and push...such exercises as these...and occurring in the ECS no less, not far removed from the SCS...tell me that things are not nearly so hot or confrontational as some believe.

These are very positive signs.

As I have said numerous times...short of something extremely foolish happening on either side...the PRC will continue improving its holdings/reefs/shoals in the SCS, and the US will make its FON point, and things will proceed forward.

the PRC's position and presence in the SCS with the new islands is simply the new normal now.
 

joshuatree

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Manila hopeful of SCS law suit win at the ICJ, but it's not clear how China's opt out will affect the status quo, even if Philippines win the case.

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The Philippines has asked the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague to affirm its right to areas within 200 nautical miles of its coastline, under the terms of a U.N. convention.

This becomes a loaded statement because even the Court's earlier jurisdiction ruling made the caveat that the 200 NM boundary is subject to any potential overlap. And since the Philippines made the case viable by not asking for any territorial/sovereignty determinations, the ruling will be muddled and based on a lot of hypotheticals.

I haven't kept track of every reported confrontation and much less confrontations that go unreported. But giving the benefit of the doubt that reported confrontations are verified, how many times when the Chinese were preventing the FIlipinos from fishing, it occurred beyond 12 NM from features that are disputed? How many of the confrontations take place beyond 200 NM from Taiping Island? Also, when discussing the issue of being prevented fishing, which incidents are actually by a govt vessel as opposed to what sometimes are vigilante fishermen.
 

Jeff Head

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The ICJ is a recognized international court that requires both sides in an suit to agree to it handling it.

No need to attack it because it does not happen to be what one side or the other does not agree with. That path is simply flame bait and purely subjective.

It's pure politics and ideology and will not be allowed.

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The International Court of Justice is established by the UN Charter and all members are subject to it. The General Assembly and the Security Council choose its members.

The Philippines case is not being heard by the ICJ at all...it is being heard by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague which is a completely different court.

These attacks against the ICJ are unfounded and not warranted...and as I say, it is not the court hearing this case.

PLAWOLF, you are receiving a warning for this infraction.

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Blackstone

Brigadier
This becomes a loaded statement because even the Court's earlier jurisdiction ruling made the caveat that the 200 NM boundary is subject to any potential overlap. And since the Philippines made the case viable by not asking for any territorial/sovereignty determinations, the ruling will be muddled and based on a lot of hypotheticals.

I haven't kept track of every reported confrontation and much less confrontations that go unreported. But giving the benefit of the doubt that reported confrontations are verified, how many times when the Chinese were preventing the FIlipinos from fishing, it occurred beyond 12 NM from features that are disputed? How many of the confrontations take place beyond 200 NM from Taiping Island? Also, when discussing the issue of being prevented fishing, which incidents are actually by a govt vessel as opposed to what sometimes are vigilante fishermen.
Since China exercised its right to opt out of involuntary arbitration, did the Arbitration Court overreach in claiming jurisdiction? If not, then what good are international treaties with opt out clauses if the courts ignore them (yes, it's a rhetorical question)?
 

Brumby

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Since China exercised its right to opt out of involuntary arbitration, did the Arbitration Court overreach in claiming jurisdiction? If not, then what good are international treaties with opt out clauses if the courts ignore them (yes, it's a rhetorical question)?

China exercised opt out on arbitration over sovereignty determination. The Philippines purposely positioned its submissions before the International tribunal on matters of interpretation of provisions. In this regard, the tribunal has jurisdiction, its decisions are final and binding on all. I don't understand why this subject keeps on popping up. I don't believe the legal language is ambiguous on this point as it requires just plain comprehension. As to some of the more contentious submissions by the Philippines, we should be patient to wait for the outcome from the tribunal whether they accept those arguments or it gets thrown out. There is a structured process and path. It is not some wild wild west in belligerence.
 

Blackstone

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China exercised opt out on arbitration over sovereignty determination. The Philippines purposely positioned its submissions before the International tribunal on matters of interpretation of provisions. In this regard, the tribunal has jurisdiction, its decisions are final and binding on all. I don't understand why this subject keeps on popping up. I don't believe the legal language is ambiguous on this point as it requires just plain comprehension. As to some of the more contentious submissions by the Philippines, we should be patient to wait for the outcome from the tribunal whether they accept those arguments or it gets thrown out. There is a structured process and path. It is not some wild wild west in belligerence.
Unless there's another definition I'm not aware of, "opting out" of Philippines' law suit is all-exclusive. Does that phrase mean different things in legal jargon?
 
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