South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

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  1. PanAsian
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    Some maps for reference which appeared in other SCS threads in the forum.

    Text color key to the map in Deino's post:
    Red - China/Taiwan holdings
    Blue - Vietnam holdings
    Purple - Philippines holdings
    Orange - Malaysia holdings

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    US May Sail More Ships in South China Sea, Navy Commander Says

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/...-in-south-china-sea-navy-commander-says.html?

    This is simply a PR spin but unfortunately the damage has been done. IMO, the USN did not loose control of the messaging but lost control of the FONOPs through the micro management by the WH. It projects weak resolve by the present administration. How do you expect other countries to undertake more assertive FONOPs when the US is ensure of its own program?
     
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    So, the CSIS/AMTI people did an assessment on Vietnam's recent reclamation efforts at Cornwallis South Reef, Usual biases, aside, there's several interesting points made in the report. #1 Vietnam and Malaysia signed an agreement which appears to concede Vietnamese-held Cornwallis South Reef, Alison Reef, and Pigeon Reef to Malaysia. #2 Despite the setback caused by the typhoon, Vietnamese workers immediately went back to work on Cornwallis South Reef.

     
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    Vietnam’s existing facility at the north end of Cornwallis South Reef consists of a single three-story pillbox structure measuring approximately 50 feet (15 meters) by 43 feet (13 meters). A shallow man-made channel about 50 feet wide allows access to the outpost from the sea and the lagoon. On the seaward side of the outpost, the channel is flanked by what appear to be concrete pylons, likely to prevent ships from wandering into hazardous shallow areas. The outpost has two docks and the roof sports an antenna and probable solar panels. Typhoon Melor does not appear to have damaged the outpost, though increased sediment is visible all along the reef around it.

    Vietnam’s western Cornwallis South Reef outpost on August 28, 2015 (before Typhoon Melor).

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    Vietnam’s western Cornwallis South Reef outpost on December 31, 2015 (after Typhoon Melor).

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    Vietnam has a larger preexisting facility on the west side of the reef, consisting of three buildings connected by two bridges. The northernmost building is three stories tall and measures 59 feet (18 meters) by 52 feet (16 meters). It has two docks and an antenna and solar panels on the roof. The other two buildings are of similar dimensions the first and connect to it (but not to each other) by two footbridges. The building to the south has an antenna and two dishes on its roof, while the building to the east has no visible instruments. None of the three structures appears to have been damaged by Typhoon Melor.
     
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    Thanks for posting that article, confusion. It's interesting how Vietnam is managing is widely dispersed forts around the Spratly Islands. Surely Vietnam and the other claimants evacuated their installations before the typhoon hit, right? Would it be possible for another claimant to seize those installations immediately after the typhoon passed before the original builders returned?
     
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    That's assuming they vacated their pre-existing facilities which the article noted as being undamaged from the typhoon.

    Good article showing Vietnam's occupation of Allison Reef, Pigeon Reef, and Cornwallis South Reef are all beyond Vietnam's 200 NM EEZ, all low tide features, no where near another bonafide rock, and the last one having land reclaimed. All things glossed over by most just because it's not China.

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    I don't think any claimant will make this mistake again. Taiwan lost a feature when they evacuated due to a typhoon; when they returned, the Philippines had already moved in.
     
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    and the Philippines lost a feature to Vietnam in a similar fashion, except they didn't evacuate due to a typhoon but due to the troops going to a neighboring feature for a birthday party.
     
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    now I read at BreakingDefence
    China Seeks ‘Hegemony’ in Asia: Adm. Harris, PACOM
    source: http://breakingdefense.com/2016/02/china-seeks-hegemony-in-asia-adm-harris-pacom/
     
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    similar article to the one above:
    China 'Clearly' Militarizing South China Sea: Pacific Command Chief
    source: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/02/23/china-clearly-militarizing-south-china-sea.html
     
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