broadsword
Brigadier
Cheesy propaganda there. Always pisses me off.
Sino-Myanmar Border Conflicts
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Cheesy propaganda there. Always pisses me off.
Ultra
Junior Member
Both those incidents iirc, involve soldiers going rouge to commit robbery and murder.
You treat 'Massing troops' like its some kind of magical cure for all problems that should be the first response rather then the last resort.
Do you have any idea how stupid and idiotic China (or any government) would look it massed troops and threatened war over every tiny slight or offence (be it real of perceived) as its standard first response?
Fortunately we done even need to use our imaginations to see such an adolescent and knee-jerk reaction policy in action in real life, what you suggest China do is pretty much what North Korea does do.
So, did all that sabre rattling and troop massing do their credibility any good?
Given your brainwashed worship of 'democracy', I am starting to suspect the root cause and reason for all your belly aching is less to do with the Chinese government response and rather more to do with the Chinese government itself.
Its a tactic used often even by 'democracy' worshippers, who will abandon all sense and reason to bash the Chinese government no matter for it does for the grave sin of not being 'democratic'.
Uh, I wasn't the one who propose massing the troops to the border as a measure - infact I WAS AGAINST IT. Go back and read my post. (EDIT: read below - I pasted for your convenience!)
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Ultra
Junior Member
Just trying my best not to take any sides (in fact I am sympathetic to no one: the Myanmarese pilots are unprofessional, while PLAAF failed to protect their own citizens). There is no such thing is unbiased reporting since your cognition and schemas still influence how you approach a subject. The fact that you called my writing as "cheesy propaganda" shows that you are just as biased in your approach. What I am saying is pointing out that the Reuters article is framed (by the writer or the company) in a way that points to the China threat. I am not sympathetic to Beijing, just saying too bad for the PRC (like Germany and Japan in the early 20th Century, everyone hates you since you are a rising/revisionist power challenging status quo world order). Since China is a rising (potentially revisionist, depends on behaviour) power, it receives far more investigative scrutiny from its competing states' media outlet. The Chinese media does the same (if not more exaggerating) to the U.S. and Japan. If you watch CCTV7's military channel, they exaggerate Abe's constitutional reinterpretation almost everyday (sometimes it gets stupid). In this sense, I am also taking a realist bias in my analysis.
Regarding what you said regarding North Korean soldiers shot dead Chinese, if the North Korean soldiers simply deserted their posts due to hunger, then the Chinese are dealing with with desperate thugs, not a professional army ready to fight. I do agree with you that the Chinese should seriously stop propping up the North Korean regime since the latter is simply back-mailing the former with threats of regime collapse. In this sense, it is not a partnership based on trust, but by threat (weird: a small rogue state kidnapping a rising power, ridiculous isn't it?). However, I do think that if any country drops bombs (either intentional or by accident) onto your border towns, you should have to right to deploy radars and SAMs (including shooting down intruding fighter jets) as a proportional self-defense. Nevertheless, if the Chinese retaliates through a land invasion or bombing campaign (or simply intruding the Burmese airspace), there is something wrong. Then you got an over-reaction that needs to be condemned (if not economically sanctioned) internationally.
JayBird
Junior Member
I don't think t2contra call your writing cheesy propaganda. He called the reuters article you linked cheesy propaganda. Unless you are the writer of the article Alexandra Harny of Reuters.
I would say that is blatant falsehood (China having designs on Myanmar territory), though I would also not be surprised if the Myanmar government, local prejudices, or third parties are generating blatant falsehoods to conjure up a "China threat" where there is none to provide cover for other actions.
Oops! If that's the case, sorry, t2contra!I don't think t2contra call your writing cheesy propaganda. He called the reuters article you linked cheesy propaganda. Unless you are the writer of the article Alexandra Harny of Reuters.
bluewater2012
Junior Member
Last night my local radio said Myanmar thru the ongoing investigation bombing on China border sacked three military personal but still refused to apologize. I couldn't find any news tidbits about it this morning thru googling.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Does anyone know if China has an equivalent of DHS and the border police?
solarz
Brigadier
Border police, of course, DHS, I don't think so.
In any case, it's clear that both sides are looking to downplay the incident, and only the western media is trying to escalate tensions. The reasons are pretty obvious. Letting popular sentiment dictate foreign policy is just about the worst thing a nation can do, so it doesn't matter what Chinese netizens feel, the Chinese government needs to do what it knows best.