Sino-India conflict

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ArjunMk1

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I never said Indian army is best in mountain warefare , neither it has all advanced equipments !!!

Back in 62 India had almost no high altitude warefare training, the short war in Kashmir(in 1948) was long forgotten !! Indian army wore all WW2 fatigues and the Government was disillusioned in so called 'Non Aligned Movement' !!!
 

taijisheng

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Ender Wiggin said:
The Chinese under Mao favored Mobile "People's War" doctrine, of "luring the enemy in deep", utilizing the peasant masses to form a "wave of humanity" to stop the enemy in which the red army could become "fish among water", and favored flexible tactics of attacking the enemy where they were weakest to weaken them in whole.

These tactics first used against the GMD in the Jiangsi Soviet Republic, then against the Japanese in WWII, and finally again against the GMD in the second Chinese Civil War.

I'm certain that they were used to drive the Americans back to the 38th parallel but I don't know much else after that.

Many people completly misunderstood Mao's people's war concept and his millitary strategy, not knowing they are two different things. " People's war" has nothing to do with running up to enemies in great numbers, it is not even about anything happening in battlefield. It is about gaining support among the people, when you have the support of the people, you are strong, this is how Mao managed to survive with a tiny army and made it big, whenever he went, people supported him and provided him what he needed. This has nothing to do with his millitary strategy.

Mao's millitary strategy is about movement, not confront the enemy in front, instead keep moving to spread up enemy forces and supply lines, divide enemy into smaller groups, then choose the weakest group and destroy it with superior force. This is how Mao managed to win the 3 major battles in the chinese civil war, in which he effectivly divided, surrounded and destroyed a total of over 1 mil KMT forces, while his own forces were actually smaller in size. Later in the chinese civil war, when PLA started to gain superiority in numbers, they did what Sun Tzu said: attack when you outnumber your enemy by 3:1, surround your enemy when you outnumber them by 10:1. There is nothing wrong about it, it is simply the right thing to do.

About Sino-India war, there is really no way that India could have won. Chinese army was supprior in number and quality,by quality I don't mean in weapons only, had terrian advantage, and was better prepared. Actually I think if the battle were to be fought again, removing all the advantages china had, with equal forces and eqiupment, china would still have won, because the chinese army at that time was the best in Asia, with the best generals in recent chinese history and very experienced, battlehard soldiers.

Could IAF do much ? I doubt it, Chinese army had gained extensive experience in fighting under enemy's air superiority in Korea, and korea is much a mush less mountainous area, I doubt IAF could do much better than the US airforce in korea.
 

ArjunMk1

Junior Member
taijisheng said:
Many people completly misunderstood Mao's people's war concept and his millitary strategy, not knowing they are two different things.

Actually In sino-Indian conflict China was to complete the war with in a short time !! China could have used her superiority of artillery in order to break Indian defences but it would have taken some time , enough for Indian mobilisation also there was a fear of US and Soviet pressure !!!
So we Indians refer this tactics of attacking positions with a lot of men as 'human wave' , 'mao's style ' or what so ever !!! :coffee:
This method makes a huge casualty of the attacking force but it ensures vuctory in a very short time .

You may compare this with Indo-Pak Kargil conflict in 99. India used Artillery and MRLs to smash targets and infantry soldiers advanced under artillery cover , it took time and costed $$$, but human casualty was checked !!!
 

vincelee

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2 things.

If IAF was used in a purely tactical role, maybe you'll see a few J-2s and J-6s flying air superiority missions. If IAF did strategic attacks on Lhasa.....bad things happen.
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
ArjunMk1 said:
Actually In sino-Indian conflict China was to complete the war with in a short time !! China could have used her superiority of artillery in order to break Indian defences but it would have taken some time , enough for Indian mobilisation also there was a fear of US and Soviet pressure !!!
So we Indians refer this tactics of attacking positions with a lot of men as 'human wave' , 'mao's style ' or what so ever !!! :coffee:
This method makes a huge casualty of the attacking force but it ensures vuctory in a very short time .

You may compare this with Indo-Pak Kargil conflict in 99. India used Artillery and MRLs to smash targets and infantry soldiers advanced under artillery cover , it took time and costed $$$, but human casualty was checked !!!

plz provide evidance of huge chinese casulties
 

Indianfighter

Junior Member
darth sidious said:
plz provide evidance of huge chinese casulties
They are unavailable outside the Great Wall.

Reference to the following may be made:
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The China-India Border War
CSC 1984
SUBJECT AREA: Warfighting
ABSTRACT
Author: CALVIN, James Barnard, Lieutenant Commander,U. S. Navy
Title: THE CHINA - INDIA BORDER WAR (1962)
Publisher: Marine Corps Command and Staff College
Date: April 1984

The object of this paper is to present an overview of
the 1962 China-India Border War. The paper chronologically
examines the 19th and 20th Century roots of disputed border
areas between China and Indian the increase in tensions and
conflicts in the late 1950s, the skirmishes along the China-
India border, the October-November 1962 hostilities, and the
ceasefire.
---------------------
The following is a quotation from the research paper:

"Yet, an important example of the limited Chinese information available has been this author's inability to obtain Chinese casualty figures
for the Border War
."

The entire paper is available here:
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Some excerpts:

India's casualties for the Border War were finally reported as follows:
Killed 1,383
Captured 3,968
Missing 1,696
India released no figures for Wounded, but casualties were
high.
China released no casualty figures.

The paper details Indian companies being attacked by Chinese brigades. It also highlights that the Chinese had much superior numerical and machine-gun fire as compared to India.

Here is another excerpt:

An Indian patrol of fifty Rajputs had moved to Yumtso La
without incident on the evening of October 9th. At daybreak
on October 10th, they began to move toward the Yumtso La
bridges. Outnumbering the Indians by about 20:1, a full bat-
talion of Chinese emerged from their positions and quickly
moved down the ridge, to form for attack
. The Indian positions
came under fire from heavy mortars. The Indians were able to
hold off the first Chinese assault; the Chinese were apparently
unaware of the Indian positions covering Tseng Jong village
from the flank, and enfilade fire caused heavy Chinese
casualties. The Indian commander at Tseng Jong asked for
covering fire while he withdrew from what he felt was a hope-
less position; but the covering fires were refused. As the
Chinese pressed their attack, the Indian force of fifty was
ordered to disengage and retreat to the river; engagement at
Tseng Jong would have meant disaster for the Indians. The
Chinese allowed them to withdraw, and held their fire as the
survivors crossed the bridge to the south. Chinese casualties
were 33 killed or wounded.
Indian casualties were seven
killed, seven missing
, and eleven wounded--50% casualties.
The Chinese buried the Indian dead with full military honors,
in plain view of the retreating Indian comrades withdrawing
south of the river.
 

ArjunMk1

Junior Member
Actually neither China nor India released official record of 62's war !! But India is a multi party Democracy so she has to release the casualty figures while China being a Communist nation has no such urge, and in Chian Kaishek's time, things were tougher !!!

The details story of Indian war is reconstructed from the memories of veterans and journalists no effort has been made from Government . In Chinese side only a few defence specialist narrate their story , which is very much blurr and appears to be sensored !!!

But I personally feel that Chinese attack on Indians was one of her greatest blunders , she lost her ablest frend of Asia and the whole developing world !!
 

taijisheng

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There is no proof of high chinese casualty, the low Indian casualty is caused by the fact that large number of indian soldiers surrended without a fight, according to chinese sources thousands of indian soldiers and officers were made prisoner of war, including a general I think.

I don't get why Indian side keeps repeating how they were outnumbered in the war, as if it's therefor not their fault to have lost the war, well, to outnumber your enemy is part of a general's job, its part of the war.

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1. PLA officers inspecting the situation
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2. PLA soldiers taking over Indian position
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3. PLA soldiers advancing
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4. Indian POW's having a good time in chinese prisoner camp
prinsonercamp4lw.jpg
 

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KYli

Brigadier
Hi indianfighter Hi ArjunMk1

I already provide you one source on data about casulties from both sides.

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Ok, since you guys try to come up with misleading idea, i guess i will try to ditch up more informations.:D
 
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