Should term limit for China's presidency remain the same, be extended, or eliminated?

supercat

Major
Restating your idea as a fact doesn't make it a fact. Direct democratic vote of the people is not needed to amend the constitution in China, USA, Russia, etc... As a matter of fact, I don't know of any country in the world that requires direct democratic vote by the people to change the constitution. Do you? It is always voted on by a group of politicians just like China is about to do. Lots of banana republics in the world, eh?

Term limit is such an important clause of the Chinese constitution, it should be publicly debated in the media and in the National People's Congress, then openly voted in the NPC.

There is no public debate in China because that's not how China works; China works by secret closed door debate by the ruling officials. Things gets done fast and the secrecy leaves rivals at a loss to counter sudden changes, especially if they need 10 months to vote for the response. If you don't like it, pick a country you like and apply for citizenship. China won't change for you. The rest of us like it just fine.

So now you've shown that you don't know the law and you don't know how proof works. It's clear that we're still having this conversation even though we both know that Xi followed every Chinese law because you just don't like what he did but want to find excuses to bitch about it. Don't do this to yourself.

Well China should strive to change the way she works, otherwise she will keep losing people to overseas emigration.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Term limit is such an important clause of the Chinese constitution, it should be publicly debated in the media and in the National People's Congress, then openly voted in the NPC.

Well China should strive to change the way she works, otherwise she will keep losing people to overseas emigration.
What are you saying? You want to change Chinese law to your personal opinion because you don't like how it works currently? Hahahaha the irony!

LOLOL OK; here goes: Thank you for your personal suggestions and recommendations. The department that handles those will consider them in the order in which they were received. There is no need to call back to check on the progress; if they are successfully voted on by 1.4 billion people and ratified into law, you will automatically be notified. Thanks again and have a nice day. Next! :D
 
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Klon

Junior Member
Registered Member
One thing I want to remind everyone is that "the term limit should NOT be an issue in the first place".

Remind everyone, the German Chancellor has no term limit. Merkel has just won her FOURTH election, and with 99% chance will enter her FOURTH term and rule Germany for another 4 years after ruling already for 12 years. Why it is not an issue? Why it is so much an issue for Chinese president?
Do you really not see the difference? Merkel has to win an election every four years to stay in power. This means that if she is performing poorly, there is a regular opportunity for the public to replace her.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Do you really not see the difference? Merkel has to win an election every four years to stay in power. This means that if she is performing poorly, there is a regular opportunity for the public to replace her.

It’s both disingenuous and illogical to think China would tolerate incompetent leaders clinging on to power.

There isn’t a general election, but the CCP and politburo standing committee do have to consent for a leader to stay in power.

It’s not an open selection process that allows the ordinary man and woman on the street to have a direct say, but there is a very rigorous and ruthless selection process nonetheless, and one that is arguably far more demanding than a general election since all the people involved knows how the machinery of government works, and have significant personal stakes in the outcome.

And as Brexit and Thump and similar swings to the right in many recent western elections are proving (including Germany’s btw), general elections are not guaranteed to produce the best results, especially in the time of fake news. Although that’s not really a new development for China, since the PRC has been subject to relentless Western psychOps assaults since its very inception. The fake news phenomenon is just those western chickens coming home to roost since it is pretty much literally taking the CIA playbook against China and using it in the west.

Ironically, one of the chief impediments to China ever even considering democratic reforms or freeing up the media is the democratic west’s psychOps programmes against China. Because the true source of the west’s hostility towards China isn’t the fact that China isn’t a democray or censors the news of because of ‘freedoms’ (see how well all the western governments gets on with Saudi Arabia and the other ME oil monarchies, who are far far worse than China on all those areas); it’s because they cannot control China.

The relentless western pressure for China to adopt democracy and open up its media isn’t for the benefit of the Chinese people, but rather it is to allow their psychOps programmes to have a chance at actually working effectively in China.

Think Ukraine, Libya, Syria. Arguable Egypt and Turkey as well, although the former was unintended and rapidly rolled back, while the latter failed miserably thanks to Russian intervention.

If a government doesn’t ask ‘how high’ when the west says ‘jump’, they can suddenly find ‘popular’ protests that rapidly escalates to attempted coups and outright rebellion and civil war overnight.

As the frace of the much hyped ‘jasmine’ revolution showed, it’s not for a lack of trying that the West isn’t able to make any headway in China. The HK umbrella movement is a warning of what could happen in mainland China if Beijing ever fell for the West’s honeyed lies.
 

supercat

Major
I sincerely hope what described in this article will pan out and history will judge Xi kindly:

The Xi Silk Road is here to stay
Xi's extended tenure could embody the guarantee China needs to continue its anti-corruption purge and guide the ongoing economic reorientation


It took only two sentences for Xinhua to make the historical announcement; the Central Committee of the CCCP “proposed to remove the expression that ‘the president and vice-president of the People’s Republic of China shall serve no more than two consecutive terms’ from the country’s constitution.”

That will be all but confirmed at the end of the annual National People’s Congress session starting next week in Beijing.

A Made in the West geopolitical storm duly ensued; forceful condemnations of the “regime” and its “authoritarian revival,” across-the-spectrum demonization of the “dictator for life” and “the new Mao.” It’s as if the New Emperor was about to concoct the imminent launch of a Great Famine, Cultural Revolution and Tiananmen combo.

Now compare the hysteria with renowned Renmin University professor of International Relations Shi Yinhong, who attempted to introduce a measure of realpolitik: “For a long time into the future, China will continue to move forward according to Xi’s thoughts, his route, his guiding principles and his absolute leadership.”

The global economy’s captains of industry, old and new, have better shark fin to consume than to be constrained by the lowly Western Politician game of demonizing China. Turbo-capitalism – with or without “Chinese characteristics” – has absolutely nothing to do with Western liberal democracy. The Little Helmsman Deng Xiaoping introduced a real “third way”: economic proficiency coupled with political control. Deng, by the way, learned the ropes from Singapore strongman Lee Kuan Yew – a darling of the West.

Xi may embody the guarantee China needs to carry out, as smoothly as possible, a much-needed anti-corruption purge sidelining the many rotten branches of the CCP while steering a much needed economic reorientation that should benefit, most of all, the rural proletariat.

Besides, Xi is already leading internationally in climate change, nuclear proliferation, not to mention realigning global trade as globalization 2.0.

And that brings us to childish Western attempts to deride the New Silk Roads, known as the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) as “overblown,” coupled with claims that BRI is facing a “global backlash.” That barely qualifies as wishful thinking.

What’s happening in the real world is that the Trump administration is trying to engineer an anti-BRI via the
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(US, Japan, India, Australia) – but without BRI’s transnational and transcontinental appeal, not to mention funding.

Japan is making noises about a $200 billion Afro-Asian counterpunch. India centers its offensive on a deal with Iran to have Chabahar port compete with Gwadar. The Turnbull administration in Australia, in its 2017
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, bets on engaging the US against China. And Admiral Kurt Titt, the head of Southcom, carps, among other military officers, that BRI is a threat to US influence.

Xi, as well as Russian leader Vladimir Putin, has identified very clearly which way the wind is blowing, with Washington treating both China and Russia as “revisionist powers” and a certified strategic threat.

The Tang dynasty meets Plato
Xi may now turn into a post-modern version of an enlightened Tang emperor. But he also performs as the embodiment of Plato – a philosopher-king ruling with help of the best and the brightest (think Liu He, director of the Office of the Central Leading Group for Financial and Economic Affairs and Xi’s top man on economic policy).

The CCP as Plato’s Republic has concluded that yes, it’s all about management. China’s titanic tweaking of its economic model simply cannot be accomplished at least before 2030. Challenges include managing the transition of state-owned enterprises (SOEs); the move towards added value GDP growth; how to organize China as a major consumer society; and how to contain the spread of financial risks.

For all these, consistency and continuity is key.

Xi has all but announced his major moves. The Chinese Dream – or China as a stable, middle-income nation. BRI as a connectivity vector integrating not only Eurasia but also Africa and Latin America. The increasing influence of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank as well as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Securing the South China Sea as well as increasing a presence not only across the Indian Ocean but all the way to the Third Island – a matter of protecting China’s connectivity/supply lines.

And last but not least, China configured as the top power in either Asia-Pacific or “Indo-Pacific.”

History will judge Xi by his deeds. The rest is mere Sinophobia.
 

keldon

New Member
Registered Member
Do you really not see the difference? Merkel has to win an election every four years to stay in power. This means that if she is performing poorly, there is a regular opportunity for the public to replace her.

I can tell you first hand that those elections has no effect to decide anything in germany, especially concerning Merkel. it's like in east germany you can vote for whoever you want but in the end you'll still get Honecker. There is high dissatisfaction under Merkel, but you still get her. It's not like she "won" in the last election, but her party won and she is so powerful that no one could challenge her for the position as chairwomen of the CDU. Now the government will be formed using the husk of the next largest party, and Merkel will probably be the eternal chancellor of germany beating out Helmut Kohl who was in office for 16 years.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
I can tell you first hand that those elections has no effect to decide anything in germany, especially concerning Merkel. it's like in east germany you can vote for whoever you want but in the end you'll still get Honecker. There is high dissatisfaction under Merkel, but you still get her. It's not like she "won" in the last election, but her party won and she is so powerful that no one could challenge her for the position as chairwomen of the CDU. Now the government will be formed using the husk of the next largest party, and Merkel will probably be the eternal chancellor of germany beating out Helmut Kohl who was in office for 16 years.
I think Germany has an electoral system like Nz Where candidates are elected to parliament when winning a electoral seat I The parties also make a list of candidates to be elected I These seats get distributed to each party in proportion to the number of votes the party receives Because of this we are about to have a acting Prime Minister C Winston Peters) whowas not even elected and his party onlygot3% ofthe votes and got todeade who was to form the new govt.
Talk about the tail wagging the dog.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Do you really not see the difference? Merkel has to win an election every four years to stay in power. This means that if she is performing poorly, there is a regular opportunity for the public to replace her.
I see the difference between western "Election" and Chinese "Selection". I ALSO see the difference or lack of it in the west, the Chinese "meritocracy". That is a future candidate is constantly evaluated for promotion (or demotion) from day one of his/her career.

I think Xi would not have been selected to be the president if he did not perform well for the past 3 DECADES, decades of performace as a farmer, a party team leader, a county chief, a provincial governer, a provincial military commander. Any misstep in his past more than 30 years will disqualify him. That experience is way more than any western politician could ever get, including Merkel.
 
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keldon

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I think Germany has an electoral system like Nz Where candidates are elected to parliament when winning a electoral seat I The parties also make a list of candidates to be elected I These seats get distributed to each party in proportion to the number of votes the party receives Because of this we are about to have a acting Prime Minister C Winston Peters) whowas not even elected and his party onlygot3% ofthe votes and got todeade who was to form the new govt.
Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

You get to cast two votes in german general election, one for a direct candidate for the Bundestag, provided by the various parties, and a second vote for the political parties themselves, which is the more important of the two. You don't get to choose the direct candidates from a roster, most of the times it is only one person, sometimes two, but they are provided by the parties nonetheless. There have been cases where parties just wanted someone young to appeal to the younger demographic, you can probably imagine how much experience the candidate had in governance...

As for the second vote; The parties can literally do whatever they want, you as the voter don't have any say in who they send into the Bundestag. The position of the federal chancellor was from the beginning not for the voters to decide, it is decided by innerparty power struggle and Merkel has a reputation of being the black widow, for she had disposed/outlived most of her political opponents.

I find it extremly funny when i took "the political system of modern China" lecture in the university, it was like 90% of the students had no clue about the term limitation and the prof. did point out to the then record holder Helmut Kohl for being the "overlord" for 16 years.
 
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Trump on China's Xi consolidating power: 'Maybe we'll give that a shot some day'
Updated 8:21 PM ET, Sat March 3, 2018
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In the closed-door remarks, a recording of which was obtained by CNN, Trump also praised China's President Xi Jinping for
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and extending his potential tenure, musing he wouldn't mind making such a maneuver himself.
"He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great," Trump said. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day."
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(the rest is unrelated to China)
 
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