Shenyang / SAC - newly announced 5th generation fighter

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    Could also be a tactical bomber program or even pre-research for future fighter concepts rather than a project. Another distant possibility is that naval fighter jet is a clean-sheet design, but this would go against earlier rumors that the fighter is well into its development and perhaps even prototype construction.
     
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    Take the Global Times report with a pitcher of salt. But unfortunately it's the only English-based version of the news.

    If this interpretation of the WeChat messages is accurate, then this implies that the project is still in its infancy and it might be many years before a prototype could be under construction. However, this very much depends on what "cross-phase" means and what it refers to in the scope of aircraft research & development processes.
     
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    Does not sound like an all new design to me. Joint development would have meant you are taking an existing team --- namely the one from Shenyang --- and joined with another (Chengdu? Other engineers from other sectors of AVIC?) This means they are putting together a super star engineering team on this, adding to the core team from Shenyang (FC-31 team).

    You would have to take an existing design, evaluate it, decide where changes have to be made.

    Cross phase is a strange phase to use in this context, normally it is used in the case of optics, as in cross phase modulation. Pretty sure the word as it is used here has nothing to do with cross phase modulation. But figuratively it can mean the development from another project (J-20?) might be tied and influencing this project so this can mean sharing techs between one project to another.

    As for many years to develop a prototype, that can happen if many of the techs necessary to build it have to start from scratch. Not on this one.

    S-shaped ducts are nothing new. J-10 would have required an S-shaped duct.

    What are we looking for here? Possibly a "Super" version of the FC-31, kind of like Super Hornet is to the Hornet.
     
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    So end of 2019 and still not FC-31 V3 naval ?

    ok let’s wait maybe next year

    also no sign of H20 either
     
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    True, but from the article I think this will most likely be a fighter... also someone dug up a old pic of SAC inviting tendors for a EOTS system around the end of 2018, which I think is another proof that this project is developing a 4th gen fighter and not a future fighter concept (I mean neither the J-15 nor the J-16 is equipped with EOTS, but this doesn't rule out the possibility of this new plane being a tactical bomber)
     
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    Besides the "joint development team" and the fact that this project seems to be run by Shenyang, there's not much to suggest that this is a direct offshoot of the FC-31 program. Folks seem to agree that the article mentions that test components have already been manufactured and that the design has been frozen, so the question is whether the project is about to enter the detailed design phase (requiring more time than people might've anticipated) or the prototype manufacturing stage (which itself can take over a year).
     
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    It does seem to match up with the timing of the tender. Interesting that they decided to forgo some level of security and publish this info for public consumption.
     
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    I'm expecting some time around the Lunar New Year (Jan 25). New year, new aircraft?
     
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    Cross-Phase is "转阶段" in the wechat article. It means the program moving from one development stage to the next. Translation is always tricky, 转 can be translated to "cross, turn, move on, change, transit", 阶段 can be translated to "phase, stage, level, section". Which English word to take depends on the subject.

    I agree with Totoro's post #393 that, it is very likely that the joint team's activity is part of FC-31 program. The "new fighter jet" when adopted by PLA will be FC-31 derived.

    The wechat article does not reveal any previously unknown program, but a reward to part of ongoing program's effort.

    P.S. the two teams are structural department of 601 institute and military product department of Manufacturing Technology Institute of AVIC. MTI is the dedicated institute in the manufacturing technology within AVIC serving everyone including CAC and SAC etc. It is headquartered in Beijing.
     
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    Does the article give any hints as to what stages it's transitioning to? Some people think it's moving into the construction phase while others think it's about to begin detailed design phase.
     
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