Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

Verum

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Does that mean that fuselage frames and wing spars are the one (3D printed?) piece or that fuselage/wing skins are one piece like it was/is on X-32/F-35? First makes little sense imo.

I really doubt anything to do with the wings would be manufactured in 3D printing. Although it has progressed a lot, it still is quite immature compared to traditional manufacturing. There are many fancy new 3D manufacturing techniques that could achieve near bubble-free result using EBM and further strengthening with exotic methods. But it's still not as strong as components from heavy presses. Weight bearing parts like those in the wings and those used to connect wings to the fuselage sustain immense stresses, 3D printing just isn't that mature to handle it yet. Maybe give it another 10 - 20 years, then it'll be mature enough.
 

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Gents I remind you I am just posting the story, not Believing or backing it and the sources are questionable.

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Take it as you will.

Please stop posting wantchinatimes unless there are other sources pointing to the same information, since they are highly unreliable.
 

Air Force Brat

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I really doubt anything to do with the wings would be manufactured in 3D printing. Although it has progressed a lot, it still is quite immature compared to traditional manufacturing. There are many fancy new 3D manufacturing techniques that could achieve near bubble-free result using EBM and further strengthening with exotic methods. But it's still not as strong as components from heavy presses. Weight bearing parts like those in the wings and those used to connect wings to the fuselage sustain immense stresses, 3D printing just isn't that mature to handle it yet. Maybe give it another 10 - 20 years, then it'll be mature enough.

I'm looking forward to seeing the FC-31 flying prototype, maybe shortly after the New Year?
 

Air Force Brat

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Me too ... but are there actually any hints that might suggest a second prototype under construction or already close to being finished ??

Deino
No sir, just wishful/hopeful thoughts on my part, I'm hoping that Pakistan's stated interest will kick up the production schedule of the second prototype, I guess we will find out if they are serious, I just find it odd that after all the interest and fanfare on the FC-31 and the Y-20 everything seems to go into the twilight zone???? kinda missing the good old days?
 

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reported that "according to top secret documents disclosed by former US intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, Chinese spies stole key design information about Australia's new Joint Strike Fighter (...)" and that "the Chengdu J-20 and the Shenyang J-31 - have been extensively influenced by design information stolen from the United States".
Also, "It is understood the main data breach took place at the prime contractor Lockheed Martin in 2007. "

I'm not going to debate on how patronizing such phrasing sounds to me (it's "spying" and "stealing" when it comes to China while it's "military intelligence" when it's done by any "Westerner") .

What I would be more interested to know is if the J-31 is still a SAC only funded project (and thus would be for export only?) or if, since Deino published his Drangon's Wings" book, the PLAAF/PLANAF have expressed an interest in a purchase?
 

AssassinsMace

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Sorry but that isn't new news or builds a case. The US has already made the charges publicly. People act as if now because this came from Snowden's leaks it must be confirmation. It's just the same assessment the government already made publicly. This is like when people acted whatever came from Wikileaks was confirmation it was true. No, it was just confidential assessments made by and from US diplomats on others. Just because it was labeled secret, it doesn't automatically make it true. And to think this old news made out to be new builds and supports a case for confirmation that it's true means the first charge was in question. A confirmation would be if this information came out of China not from the same source making the accusation. If this information was new and adds to making a case, why didn't the US release this the first time? Same with Wikileaks. If all the information leaked served US perceptions and interests, why was it being kept secret?
 
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latenlazy

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Old news. Pretty sure they made use of the information they stole. Whether it's through the common accusation that they copied however...
 

duskylim

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I really doubt anything to do with the wings would be manufactured in 3D printing. Although it has progressed a lot, it still is quite immature compared to traditional manufacturing. There are many fancy new 3D manufacturing techniques that could achieve near bubble-free result using EBM and further strengthening with exotic methods. But it's still not as strong as components from heavy presses. Weight bearing parts like those in the wings and those used to connect wings to the fuselage sustain immense stresses, 3D printing just isn't that mature to handle it yet. Maybe give it another 10 - 20 years, then it'll be mature enough.

You know, I'm of the same opinion. Although its possible to use 3D printing to form some pretty remarkable shapes without the waste associated with conventional machining, there are cases wherein the manufacturing process contributes significantly to the strength of the finished part.

Stampings, forgings and extrusions are typical examples of these.

Yes they require forms, molds and dies (I worked in tool-and-die), and yes those are expensive - especially if the production run is limited.

But processing your materials in this way adds considerably to their strength, especially if you desire it along a particular direction or axis.

Stamping, forging and extruding the part, results in improvements in the grain and density of the piece (microstructure), particularly if the material used (steels, titanium, aluminum, other various alloys) can work harden or strengthen and the forming process is designed to favor this effect.

Achieving this by 3D printing seems difficult to me. Perhaps one can form the piece by 3-D printing, then finish via, stamping, forging or extruding it to the final, finished form.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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