Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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    I thought we read a while back that it had safely arrived at Yanliang already. It's somewhere in this thread too.
     
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    also Xifei (Xian Aircraft Corp) engineers were asking them to transport this thing from Shenfei (shenyang) to Yanliang.

    so 603 and 601 Institute are both involved. fits the rumours that was flowing out earlier for it to be a joint effort by the two as a strike fighter.a
     
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    the photos and video are around the same time, people has been uploading it gradually onto the internet.
    the trip took 25 days. most of the photos are around yanliang and shanxi province.
     
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    I haven't read much of this thread but I was pondering the marketing capabilities of Shenyang to export these birds. It would make sense that these babies have to have an equal/comparable Rcs to the f-35 with similar payload. But then my question is who is the clientelle?
     
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    there is a similar discussion somewhere else

    there is no telling about three key variable on answering this question
    1. this aircraft's performance
    2. price
    3. SAC's marketing channels and capabilities (pretty lack lustre one can say)

    those will determine the future clients and the fighter's chance in a saturated and competitive international fighter market
     
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    Latin American, Middle East, and some part of rich Africa, there is a lot of potential actually. If they can prove this plane have similar performance to F-35 while 1/3 of the cost.
     
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    btw, the KF-X is slated to be at the same size and class with pretty much the same capabilities, at 50 mil a pop

    if SAC manages to launch this bird earlier, i'd hate to be the Koreans
    but they got an excellent marketing

    this PR move by SAC is pretty bold, and they are riding the high wind of J-20
    i guess the mum by international aerospace sites is telling, that any coverage would only be helping SAC's exposures
    and companies usually have to pay top dollars for it :D
     
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    KF-X is still in the designing stage, I won't put any price on that. And remember when F-35 was suppose to cost 50 million dollars when it was announced? Try 150-200 million now
     
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    Detailed talk about the export potential of this bird is pretty premature at this early stage. We haven't even actually seen what this thing really looks like, never mind talk of it's potential capabilities and price.

    All we can say is this thing holds a great deal of potential and could prove very interest, if SAC can do a reasonable job with it. I would be a great deal more excited if this was a CAC product, but let's be honest, SAC's track record is hardly encouraging.

    Who knows, this would be the perfect example for SAC to stop the buck and make a real name for themselves and help Chinese military aircraft break into the big leagues, but they might just screw this up like they have everything else they have tried. Too early to tell either way never mind how well it might sell.

    The biggest bright spot would be that this programme and the capability of the plane should be a great deal more transparent if it is indeed designed with private funda and with export on mind.
     
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    SAC screwing up all the time is a bit too harsh, and they deserve credit for the J-11
    it's just CAC is doing a helluva job

    i like this whole PR move, but until the plane shows and flies, many will hold their praise for Shenyang

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    @stardave

    50 mil is a pretty nice number to pitch, it's not my estimation, but a semi-official price figure of the cost per aircraft
    i share your pessimism however, their T-50 LIFT/trainer is 25 mil a pop, no way the KF-X will sell only at double

    like i said, the Koreans got good marketing
     
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