Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

Discussion in 'Air Force' started by RedSky, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. Bltizo
    Online

    Bltizo Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,523
    Likes Received:
    16,313
    The F-15E was developed privately before the USAF issued the ETF tender. The MQ-9 was developed privately by General atomics before they anticipated the USAF's desire for an improved MQ-1.

    Privately developing a new aircraft in the early stages and then having the military become interested is not new at all.
    I agree with your points 1 and 2. SAC's J-XX could certainly be used in those roles but that does not support the idea their "J-19" is being privately or government funded.
    Point 3 is ridiculous -- if there's any distrust it's PLAAF towards SAC. The fact that they've only recently picked up J-11B/S and J-15 production is probably because PLAAF were commited to the platform as the current mainstay of their heavy fighter force. The same way they are commited to the J-20 as their future heavy fighter force.
    SAC's J-XX proposal lost for a reason, and CAC has shown themselves more than capable to take on the task of developing multiple new fighters in recent years.

    SAC's J-19 is probably not being funded by the air force.
     
  2. SinoSoldier
    Offline

    SinoSoldier Colonel

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2009
    Messages:
    4,153
    Likes Received:
    6,968
    I compared some multiple sources and here are what they have in common:
    This is mostly educated speculation. The PLAAF does not confirm anything in advance.


    J-16: this will apparently be simply an upgrade of the J-11BS, perhaps with some more emphasis on ground strike. First flight expected 2011-2012.

    J-18: this is in early development, so don't be surprised if you are not going to hear about it for a few years. It is supposedly a naval fighter follow on to the J-15.

    J-19: this is the Shenyang's J-XX.

    J-2X (or J-21/J-12?): this is supposedly a F-35 type fighter developed from the J-20. It may be for export.

    JH-7B: this will be a stealthy variant of the JH-7A with AESA radar and upgraded engines. First flight expected very soon.

    JF-17 Block II: stealthy JF-17 with AESA, more composites, etc. First flight may already been completed.


    The J-17 is supposedly a cancelled copy of the Su-34.



    As you see, many of them are simply upgrades of existing fighters, and many are export oriented. This implies that not all of them will enter service or enter service in significant numbers.

    The plane you are viewing is probably not the Shenyang J-XX. It is more likely the J-16. The J-16 is an upgraded J-11B variant with probable RCS reducing design and AESA radar. It's a strike fighter, probably on par with the F-15SE in terms of stealth and avionics.

    China is believed to be developing a follow on fighter to the J-15. It has been temporarily named the J-18, and it is supposedly a stealthier variant. Judging from what few information we have about it, I think of it as a downgraded T-50K.

    That sounds like the JH-7B.

    The picture comes from an article written by an ex AVIC employee.

    In the article the ex employee says that there are three major variants of the J-11 being developed.

    Two of these variants will have some stealthy features while the last variant will essentially be a 5th generation fighter.
     
  3. Bltizo
    Online

    Bltizo Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,523
    Likes Received:
    16,313
    ^ Edit your posts instead of posting five consecutive please... makes reading it much easier.
     
  4. Schumacher
    Offline

    Schumacher Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,310
    Likes Received:
    189
    Well said, a multi-role jet meeting more of the PLA 4th gen 4S criteria than F35, T50, of one the SAC J-XX is claimed to be, will play an important role in any air force including PLAAF, with or without J20 which is likely an air-superiority jet despite certain "every jet is considered multi-role these days" claim.
    But it's too strong a word to talk of distrust. It's just sound planning to have a SAC J-XX using more mature tech than J20, which is more radical, available just in case.
    We see from F22 how when you push to the edge of tech, you're taking big risks. And J20 is definitely pushing the edge.
     
  5. latenlazy
    Offline

    latenlazy Colonel

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2008
    Messages:
    4,288
    Likes Received:
    3,482
    *rollseyes* Go two generations back if you want to find fighters dedicated to only one role. These days it's often more common to find one air frame modified and adapted for different roles. F-15C-->F-15E, F-18C/D-->F-18E/F, countless variations of the Su-27, etc. One design is not limited to one role.

    This isn't to say that there won't be another 5th generation air frame. It's just unlikely for so many of them (I count 3-4 potential unique air frames) to be pursued and adopted in parallel.

    In any case, it doesn't matter what any of us think. It depends on whether the PLAAF has any requests for new designs.
     
    #55 latenlazy, Aug 23, 2011
    Last edited: Aug 23, 2011
  6. challenge
    Offline

    challenge Banned Idiot

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,662
    Likes Received:
    5
    you failed to include F-4 phantom jet.
    Mcdonnel dougles F-4 started out as a company funded fighter.
     
  7. 70092
    Offline

    70092 Junior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2009
    Messages:
    144
    Likes Received:
    13
    SAC's J-1X is not funded by SAC itself, it is funded by AVIC, and SAC has lots connections with the managements in AVIC, the current CEO of AVIC come from Shenyang, the big academic bully at AVIC, Dr. Gu, is from SAC.

    And AVIC is a fortune 500 company, and it is a mega corporation that own most aircraft design insistute and manufacturing factories in China, and thanks to its CEO's un-professionalness, the company now has expending to other areas like investment firms and real-estate building agency, and they have indeed risen lots money by doing these.

    The overall market cap. of AVIC, given tha if it it is allowed to be listed in stock market, should be around in 150-200 billion USD (currrently only 20% or so of its small sub-companies (e.g. no SAC/CAC/XAC/HAC) are allowed to be listed in market, the total market of these 20% has already exceeding 30 billion USD.

    So of cause it is not impossible for AVIC to fund some stealth fighter projects all by themselves, especially if they believe they can eventually find market to sell their fighters,be it PLAAF, PLAN or oversea (considering the fact J-20 is completely funded by PLAAF and it is highly regarded in PLAAF so the likelihood of PLAAF allow CAC to export J-20 in the near future is slim).
     
  8. Centrist
    Offline

    Centrist Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2009
    Messages:
    441
    Likes Received:
    0
    Deleted
     
    #58 Centrist, Aug 24, 2011
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2014
  9. RedSky
    Offline

    RedSky New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    Messages:
    69
    Likes Received:
    8
    I think it's the shadow of vertical tail~!^
     
  10. airsuperiority
    Offline

    airsuperiority Captain

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2010
    Messages:
    2,041
    Likes Received:
    85
    I seriously don't think there's the need of that. It is inefficient use of logistics and resources. I hope and do believe, lots of these are rumors. J-16,17, 18 are essentially the same thing! And what's the point of J-2X? And why invest in JF-17B anyways? if it were me, I'd shave off the 16-18 into one thing, and attempt to retire the sub-J-10 stuffs into second line or use it in ways that are meant to be sacrificed but getting the most out of them.
     

Share This Page