A few examples of the F-35 have been delivered to the school in Florida but it will still take a long time before it is operational. That more F-35 's are coded operational is just to impress Congress. Much of the information provided by the US government is little more reliable than that about Saddam Hussein's WMD's, in the sense that a lot will be true but it also contains a lot of propaganda that even we cannot reliably detect.
Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator
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J-20 did fly with domestic engine. Certainly not Al-31F engine. Maybe some variation of WS-10A. As for J-31, certainly the WS-13 is still not ready but WS-13 is not a top priority engine in development for PLAAF.
J-16 fly with WS-10A too. Chin are going for WS-15 which thrust is not match anything except by US. Europe has no something similar of project. Russia has their AL-41 going but it remained to be seen whether it can match the timeline. China by far has more resources or manpower may well finished much ahead of Al-41.
MiG-29
Banned Idiot
Look you can try your best to lie to your self but 117 and 117S are not an Al-31, they are new engines, so different that in the United Engine Corporation they are listed as different engines, plus the fact is T-50 can Supercruise and also MiG 1.44 could supercruise, the only reason Al-41F was not used is because Russia miniaturized the technologies of Al-41F to make it fit into T-50 because Russia wanted a smaller and cheaper jet than MiG 1.44.
117S=Al-41F-1
the Credit is to the same engineer Victor Mikhailovich Chepkin who is a Russian now and was a Soviet citizen and who worked in the Al-41 and 117 projects as the Chief Designer of both Projects
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MiG-29
Banned Idiot
Russia still has 15 Al-41Fs engines at Saturn facilities from the MiG 1.44 project, that engine is 18000kg of thrust, type 30 also is 17000kg, Russia has catch up already with the US in jet engine technology and Europe has EJ-200 that allows Eurofighter to supercruise
[video=youtube;mQ7rrzC-cQo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ7rrzC-cQo&feature=related[/video]
Hyperwarp
Captain
Thats a future possibility from what I understood. But, right now, the PAK-FA will have a blocker (T-50-3 onwards) not too unlike the X-32 (Not a fixed-blocker like in the F/A-18E/F). The blocker will tackle the exposed engine face.
Truth is a little hard to take when you live in never, never land, so how about we talk about aeroplanes instead of these worn out fantasies of yours, I see we have more than one delusional thinker on this thread, but we have hardware, and it IS coded OPERATIONAL! Now for some factual reading check out todays Air Force Magazine Daily Report 9/25/12 for their take on the J-31. Then you could fire off a few letters to the editor, I'm sure he would enjoy hearing from you?
The pace of the creation of new technology depends on the system allowing the creation. In a free-to-create system you can have unrelated conditions coming together to create new technologies where those technologies formerly did not exist. The examples are the Wright Brothers creating an aircraft in their bicycle shop, or Hewlett-Packard being founded in a one-car garage in Palo Alto by William (Bill) Redington Hewlett and Dave Packard to create a personal computer market where one did not exist before. Or even Apple computer being started by founders Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak in a garage to go on to create an industry that did not exist before.
The point is that China is not set up like that. China is not set up to allow seemly unrelated technologies to come together in a manner that gives birth to a completely new direction.
And this is why the constant cry in China is to innovate. Innovation is the weak spot in the Chinese system. And to state that pushing the fringe of new technologies goes at a slower rate than those trying to catch up fails to take into account the creative energies flowing in cultures that make it possible for somebody in a garage to come with something that can spawn a completely new industry seemly out of nowhere.
There will always be innovation flowing that will maintain the creative edge for those countries with the lead. They realize that their lead is maintained by out the box thinking. Its literally in the DNA. And that out the box thinking makes it very difficult for those countries with a step by step incremental approach to development of technology to ever gain a lead. The more they become dependent upon following the more they will be followers
MiG-29
Banned Idiot
Air Force Magazine Daily Report 9/25/12
China's second stealthy-looking fighter design emerged on the Internet as Defense Secretary Leon Panetta kicked off his diplomatic visit to Beijing last week. The Shenyang F-60—also called the J-21 or J-31—resembles the F-22, but with the intakes of an F-35 strike fighter. The F-60 appears to lack the Raptor's stealthy thrust-vectoring engines, and there appear to be no attempts at a reduced radar cross section with the engines currently installed in the airplane. The F-60's canopy, nose, and planform seem to be nearly identical to that of the F-22, and the airplane appears to be not too much different in size from the F-22. The photos seem to show internal weapon bays arranged similarly to the F-22's, as well as a ruggedized undercarriage potentially suited to carrier-deck operations. Photos earlier this year of a heavily shrouded F-60, partially disassembled en route to testing, revealed that the aircraft is smaller than the Chengdu J-20, which the Chinese unveiled at the end of 2010, but little else. While the larger J-20 is likely designed for longer range strike, the F-60 may be optimized for an air superiority role similar to the F-22's
MiG-29
Banned Idiot
it is difficult to know what are they using because Plasma stealth was used on MiG 1.44 and a blocker and engine composites is possible some engines use already composites already watch video
[video=youtube;zy4A-z2WKhw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy4A-z2WKhw&feature=channel&list=UL[/video]