Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

FORBIN

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If you're referring to Kremlin troll insinuation, it is in response to your comment about people adding value. I see zero value here (Gloire probably comes back with "zero value from you" like some of his previous stuff... absolute gold). In fact B787 nearly always gets into ridiculous discussions with other members in other threads. Report if you want. I don't think that was out of line. If you think that is "racist" please explain how. This is a military forum. Not a science forum. It is 100% political by definition. Military is always a subset of politics because a military belongs to a country. My comment is in no way against the rules unless you want to stretch them. Explain where I "bashed" another member? I merely said something they don't like. Their claims are untrue e.g. russian engines. e.g. F-35 hit by S-200...........

B787 sounds just like those people paid by a certain country's leadership to do something we're all very aware of and have seen all around the internet. It ought to be against the rules for continuously posting nonsense and falsities. Discussing a topic and never really responding clearly. Like Gloire's comment:

"This I know, of course.
And it's entirely different from what you said, in every part.
So I'm waiting for confirmation of your statement
.

So SpaceX' BFR is uncapable just because it uses many engines?
You know, the most powerful rocket engine is also Soviet(Russian).
Probably, because they couldn't make enough engines."

What parts did I say is being referred to? What is it? if the article, it proves it. So this is nonsensical. I don't know what the game is here but you guys continue it. Good luck with the PAKFA.

Not answer only just you attack too regurlary Russia it is not allowed by the rules named Flame Bait ...
I have my feling i prefer some countries but i don't attack others.
Calm dow a bit dude you provide interesting things useless to be agressive.
 

ougoah

Brigadier
Registered Member

Back on topic. 6th gen isn't even defined by general unspoken consensus by airforces around the world. Perhaps this was lost in translation but maybe it's better to say instead of 6th gen, Su-57 could likely replace 5th gen RuAF fighters in future? So basically replacing itself. Maybe he means it could become what the next replacement bases itself off. In any case, rich big words from someone who hasn't even had time to become acclimated to Su-57 or tested it against other fighters from other countries.
 

ougoah

Brigadier
Registered Member
Not answer only just you attack too regurlary Russia it is not allowed by the rules named Flame Blait ...
I have my feling i prefer some countries but i don't attack others.
Calm dow a bit dude you provide interesting things useless to be agressive.

Okay I can understand how some things I say can be viewed as attacks on Russia just like some of B787's comments can be read as attacks on China. I can provide dozens but it'll take time. I
m sure you can find many of mine as well. I think it started with me raising my suspicions of no side bays or large main bays. I provided my reasoninig, presented the idea sensitively without arrogance or certainty. Look at my posting history if you don't believe me. However, that attempt was met with strange ways of avoiding the topic like " you don't read russian so you don't know anything " etc etc etc.... it keeps going on in different ways but none really disproved my theory properly.

I am skeptical of Russian claims as much as I am skeptical of Chinese claims and members who are super hot about China's creations. I really hate that with a passion. Don't take it personally. I've nothing much against Russians or Russian government. It's okay to rubbish other country's hardware as long as reasoning and some evidence to support claims are provided. I don't think I've failed to do that.
 

Gloire_bb

Captain
Registered Member
No the most powerful isn't Russian.
Ok
Name one then.

It's entirely different because it is contradictory to the facts.
It's especially funny when you have a right link. They haven't teached u in the university what you have to actually look into your own sources?
 

ougoah

Brigadier
Registered Member
I don't have time to academically research this but wikipedia is accurate enough and it shows a few engines more powerful than russian ones. I've given you the links but you haven't looked at them. I know how to research. It's what I did for 5 years studying and now what I do at work. I'm not sure what you mean by "actually look into your own sources". This sentence doesn't make sense. What exactly are "my own" sources?? I don't have secret inside info if that is what you mean. Get a stronger grasp of the english language before participating in these forums and misudnerstanding people. If you mean academically reliable sources, most of that info is pretty classified or proprietary so not much around however we can get a good idea from commercial sites and one of them proves at least one American engine being more powerful. But so what that doesn't matter. It's just you brought it up and I disproved you yet again.
 

Deino

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Guys ... either You concentrate on the Su-57 or You simply shut up ! :mad:

If I take a look at the J-20 discussion where again the usual suspects prefer to eyeball instead of calculating, where they avoid each and every single question with a clear answer and I again have to clean about 6 pages of BS.

Are You nuts???
It's really annoying what's recently going on here

Deino

@WebMaster PLEASE give us finally the new mods and also the power to do something.
 
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b787

Captain
the original Russian patent for LEVCONs

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to summarize it, it says to improve post stall recovery and for supersonic drag/lift improvement basically it works as a canard.
In fact they can be used asymmetrically for roll.

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b787

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5etHs72.jpg
early picture open weapons bays
 
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