Russian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    But we are not talking about unguided munitions here, but a smaller caliber gun which would be far less destructive and easier to control. Between a 30mm and a 57mm there is no contest.
    As to ATGMs, we are again going back to the issue of costs and sustainability (which I fail to raise in my earlier post), it does not take much to figure out that at a guided ATGM is going to cost more than an unguided 57mm, and again due to the angle of fire, the 57mm lack of penetration would not be that great of an issue. and a AN-12 can carry hundreds if not thousands of 57mm shells in comparison to pylon loaded ATGMs which are limited by firing space and detrimental effects on the plane's flight performances, every single missile loaded on a wing has a negative effect on it while shells stored in the hold has much less effect.
     
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    You still need to finish the hulls under contracts before you can start new hulls. That’s how you clear out the yard. You complete the Sub and deliver to the Customer. From there you can start on new types.
    That’s pretty much been the analysis.
    To use an allegory Husky is to Yasen as Virginia is to Seawolf. Harvest the best tech off of Yasen and put it on a diet. Trim the fat.
     
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    LOL! people, you wouldn't be worried about "Husky" if you didn't read Popular Mechanics (that regurgitates Sputnik "info"), LOL
     
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    I see what you are trying to say. The HE payload is vastly different between the two. Yet in practice it’s not as big a deal. A 57mm she’ll direct fired from an orbiting Gunship isn’t going to bring as much damage as a 500lb bomb and will be more accurate and that is the point.
    The 30mm capability of more modern AC130 series came about has a sacrifice of the 40mm Bufors and 25mm Gatling.
    The 40mm was one of the most versatile weapons on the Spectre. And despite the rapid rate of fire of the Gatling was arguably more useful.
    The HE payload and semi auto to low rate of auto fire was more easy to control than the 25mm.
    The 57mm semi auto gun if properly loaded would be very close that that capability.
    This is true but use of such can be useful. It’s another tool in the tool box so to speak. Against some targets a missile will work better and give more stand off than a cannon.
     
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    so?
     
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    But here is the issue, taking the article at face value. It literally means that the Russian navy is placing new orders for new Yasen-M submarines. These represent hulls that have not been laid or even had the first steel cut. It cannot possibly refer to any of the hulls in construction as those are most assuredly been ordered before hand, and given the state of Russian military fund I will find it equally hard to believe that they would have ordered any extra sections or parts beyond what is absolutely necessary.
    I was more referring to the proposed Yasen-M being a watered down version of the baseline Yasen, not the Husky. Russia has already made it clear that the Husky was to have more conventional tech and construction which makes it less advanced that the Yasen.
     
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    Yasen-M is not watered down at all. At least not in any way that we know of.
    It is more compact than Yasen likely because it uses more modern components.

    It carries less large torpedos and has more VLS cells. This likely reflects more modern thinking. Old Russian attack subs fired cruise missiles (S-10 Granat) from the large torpedo tubes. They had no VLS cells. Now that is not necessary anymore so they reduce the amount of large torpedo tubes and add more VLS cells which can fire the Kalibr and the Oniks.

    Husky is supposed to be a general purpose hull design which can be modified for several kinds of roles.
    It is supposed to be used for the attack subs, strategic subs, and missile carriers. You do this by adding or removing sections on it.
    It is the F-35 of Russian nuclear submarines I guess.
     
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-submersible-incident/fourteen-russian-submariners-killed-in-fire-ministry-idUSKCN1TX1R1
     
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    attaching 'Like' just to acknowledge the news has been already posted

    by now it's in Russian wiki page of that vessel: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/АС-12#История

    TV announcement: https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2019721630-hbh27.html

    the developing story: https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2019/07/02/12471409.shtml
     
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