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You can tell the new Borei-A class on top has a lot smoother hull, and is likely both more hydrodynamic and silent than the older Borei class at the bottom.
Looks like a great design and the Russians are producing them in quite substantial numbers.
One of the few Russian Navy programs which isn't a disaster.
The submarine program using up the best part of the funding of the Russian navy,
At the moment the build rate is the same as the USA - one sub in each year.
And the russians subs are more complicated and advanced than the USA ones - means they are more expensive .
I'm curious to know what makes the the Russian sub more complicated and advanced than their US counterparts.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
It’s newer that’s about it.
But it seems like they keep running into overruns of cost and lack of capacity.
I am the only one who read the specifications of submarines ?
Virginia has four 533 mm torpedo tubes, and 12 tomahawk VLS for small / short tomahawk missiles.
Yassen has six 650mm tube AND two 533mm, and 40 subsonic or 32 supersonic missile ( later can't fit into the Virginia)
Just for reference , the Seawolf that designed to counter the Akulas has eight (!!!!) 660mm tube .
And this is just the beginning, the Yassen double hull design, so it has more streamlined form with lower acoustic signatures at higher speed , space for decoys/ countermeasures and so on.
Oh, and it can dive deeper.
So, the difference between the yassen and virginia is like between the Liaoning and the Nimitz class.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Apples to Potatoes?
Bigger tubes don’t mean much in torpedos as a direct hit from any torpedo is game over.
You point to the potential load of the VLS alone yet fail to consider two things.
- The Torpedo tubes can also fire missiles.
- The counterpart to Yasen is not Virginia but Ohio SSGN that’s 22 tubes with 7 cruise missiles for 154 cruise missiles the Virginia class Block V would be the Yasen’s direct counter part which is planes for 4 large VLS with 7 missiles per tube
Different missions. Virginia was designed for special operations
Sea wolf was designed to hunt Akula
larger size perhaps. But again mission the main goal of Yasen is to succeed Oskar class boats which target surface attack.
Claims on sound and speed are debatable. Cost is not but being more expensive doesn’t mean more advanced. It can just as easily be the result of limited resources.
again lateral war deploying SF and making strikes in the Gulf vs a nation that kept building to fight the US.
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So, the difference between the yassen and virginia is like between the Liaoning and the Nimitz class.[/QUOTE]
Farther more he was asking about
Interesting ,you confess that the Yassen made to hunt submarines ( like Seawolf) and the Virginia to attack developing nations, but don't want to accept that the Yassen ( or Seawolf, as a matter of fact ) more sophisticated , superior and advanced than the Virginia, because of its target is not against an RPG-7, but another nuclear submarine : )
- remark - the Seawolf has less capability than the Yassan ( lack of VLS tubes) , but the cost of it is closer to a Nimitz than to the Virginia.
So any reasoning about the incapability of Russians as root cause of cost overrun doesn't hold water, the Yassen level ships cost as much in the USA as well
I don't want to go to the details of your post, there are too many weak answer for the points, supporting only an ex USA navy world view ( everything made in the USA superior, regardless its capability , because even if the given stuff is useless, the manning of it is american : D )
Best is : torpedo tube can fire missile. True, means the Yassen has 48 ready to go missile , Virginia has 16.
One more, the USA built submarines in the 90/00s, Russia restarted it after realising that the USA wants war around 2008.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Oh for goodness sake. Seawolf more advanced? No Seawolf is older it’s louder to.
Virginia class at full speed is quieter than Seawolf in port.
But the main aim is mission needs.
“Attack developing nations”
No combat Operations in shallow water. That doesn’t simply limit it to Trolling around third world ports.
That also means operating in enemy shallows. In the Cold War Subs on both sides often tried to entered each other’s ports and operated even up rivers. That means you have to have a boat able to navigate close terrain features and remain stealthy even under the enemy’s home.
Seawolf was built as a Deep diving boat meant to hunt bombers. It cost more than Virginia because the class was truncated in production. Virginia took many of the Seawolf technology and evolved them to simplify production.
And Virginia class tube launched compliment is up to 37 weapons in its torpedo room not 16.
The main issues of Yasen is its super expensive at a time Russia can’t afford it. Hell it couldn’t afford it in 2008. They have openly talked of creating a spin off class of cheaper SSN boats.
Yeah the US built subs in the 90s and 2000s the US Could afford to the LA class was supposed to be super seeded by Seawolf class but as the Russian Navy wasn’t seen as a threat they Stopped building them after Three boats. And then started on Virginia class. Why because without the big Russian bear it was patrol missions.
Yasen Started building in 1993 but with the collapse of the Ruble work slowed but didn’t stop until 1996. When Russian tanks were pointed at Russians.
It started again in 2003 and then paused well the Russians in 2006 Refocused on building their new Ballistic missile Boat. Before 2008.
It wasn’t until 2011 that they could actually float Yasen
They are not getting a new boat a year or anything near as fast as Virginia class which by the way are replacing Los Angles class on a one to one basis. As there are huge gaps in production. With only 2 finished and 5 supposed to be finished between now and January 1 2021.
Virginia class at full speed is quieter than Seawolf in port.
But the main aim is mission needs.
“Attack developing nations”
No combat Operations in shallow water. That doesn’t simply limit it to Trolling around third world ports.
That also means operating in enemy shallows. In the Cold War Subs on both sides often tried to entered each other’s ports and operated even up rivers. That means you have to have a boat able to navigate close terrain features and remain stealthy even under the enemy’s home.
Seawolf was built as a Deep diving boat meant to hunt bombers. It cost more than Virginia because the class was truncated in production. Virginia took many of the Seawolf technology and evolved them to simplify production.
And Virginia class tube launched compliment is up to 37 weapons in its torpedo room not 16.
The main issues of Yasen is its super expensive at a time Russia can’t afford it. Hell it couldn’t afford it in 2008. They have openly talked of creating a spin off class of cheaper SSN boats.
Yeah the US built subs in the 90s and 2000s the US Could afford to the LA class was supposed to be super seeded by Seawolf class but as the Russian Navy wasn’t seen as a threat they Stopped building them after Three boats. And then started on Virginia class. Why because without the big Russian bear it was patrol missions.
Yasen Started building in 1993 but with the collapse of the Ruble work slowed but didn’t stop until 1996. When Russian tanks were pointed at Russians.
It started again in 2003 and then paused well the Russians in 2006 Refocused on building their new Ballistic missile Boat. Before 2008.
It wasn’t until 2011 that they could actually float Yasen
They are not getting a new boat a year or anything near as fast as Virginia class which by the way are replacing Los Angles class on a one to one basis. As there are huge gaps in production. With only 2 finished and 5 supposed to be finished between now and January 1 2021.