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Lethe

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Still, the two vessels, one for the Pacific and one for the Atlantic, are going to be strong vessels...and frankly, are a matter of pride for the Russians., They are the only ones to build such powerful Battle Cruisers, and nuclear powered...in the modern era.

No doubt Russia will try to keep the two Kirovs around until the proposed "Leader" cruisers (the 17,500 ton nuclear-powered beast) are ready to replace them, but I can't see that happening before late 2020s at the earliest. At the same time, I'm sure they can't wait to be rid of them -- the manning and maintenance requirements must be horrific.

It's pretty clear that there is a big, inviting space between the 4,500 ton Admiral Gorshkov frigates and the 17,500 ton nuclear-powered Leader. A Burke-sized space, one might say. There's your other, non-nuclear proposal.

In any case, clearly designers have to do their thing, but it all seems academic for the moment when the priority for the next 7/8-years has to be pumping out shiny Gorshkov frigates and getting a goodly proportion of the current rust-buckets out of the water.
 

Gloire_bb

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It's pretty clear that there is a big, inviting space between the 4,500 ton Admiral Gorshkov frigates and the 17,500 ton nuclear-powered Leader. A Burke-sized space, one might say. There's your other, non-nuclear proposal.
Problem is there is no money to fill this space.

Russia just isn't China to be able to build full balanced fleet structure.
 

Jeff Head

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...but it all seems academic for the moment when the priority for the next 7/8-years has to be pumping out shiny Gorshkov frigates and getting a goodly proportion of the current rust-buckets out of the water.
Amen to that.

The Russians face some monumental tasks.

Most of their navy is left over from the Soviet era and is rusting away in place.

At the same time, they are strapped financially.

...and then added to that is the fact that the expertise for the larger ships has also aged away into retirement.

Lately, any larger projects have been scheduling and financial disasters for the Russians.

I do not see that getting better any time soon.

They are turning our fairly decent frigates and corvettes. But those will only go so far.

They have to have a successful project for DDGs and for SSNs.

The Yasen is a good boat...but they have only launched and commissioned one, commissioned in 2010. The last one before that was an Akula class (also a very decent boat) the last of which was the Chakra launched in 2006 for the Indians. Beofre that, you have to go back to 1999.

So, since 2006 to now, when the Russians have launched two SSNs, one for the Indians, the US Navy has launched twelve new Virginia class boats

The last DDG commissioned was the last Udaloy II, the Admiral Chabanenko which was commissioned in 1999. That's over 17 years ago! In that same time frame, the US has commissioned 36 new DDGs.

The Russians simply have to find a way to start producing DDGs and SSNs again.

Not to mention LPDs, LHDs, Carriers, etc...which the Russians have not produced any of.
 
Sep 7, 2016
anyway, Project 22800 was publicly presented for the first time yesterday ...
and in addition what's inside the blog in Spanish
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... now the manufacturer
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announced it would start building the first Project 22800 ship this year (steel etc. already purchased), and in its five-ship series, the plan is to deliver the first to the Navy in 2018, and the last: in 2021 ... that's what the manufacturer says according to
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... an Alligator showing off there, and that's it:
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this time, an Alligator taking off:
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