Russian jet 'shoots down' Georgian spy plane

Mr T

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Georgia today accused Russia of an “unprovoked act of aggression” after a Russian jet allegedly shot down an unmanned Georgian reconnaissance plane, Alexi Mostrous writes.

Officials in Georgia’s capital, Tbilisi, released video footage which they said showed a MiG-29 fighter launching a missile at the Georgian plane as it flew over the country’s breakaway Abkhazia region.

The allegation - dismissed as “nonsense” by Moscow - is likely to aggravate tensions between the countries, which are locked in a standoff over Georgia’s ambitions to join NATO and Moscow's support for Abkhaz separatists.

“The Government of Georgia strongly condemns the unprovoked act of aggression that took place on April 20, 2008,” the Georgian foreign ministry said in a statement. It summoned Russia’s ambassador to hand him a note of protest.

A spokesman for Russia’s air force said: “Nonsense. What would a Russian jet fighter be doing over Georgian territory?”

The video footage shows a jet aircraft banking to face the drone. A bright flash can be seen as a missile is launched and heads toward the drone.

A few seconds later the screen goes blank.

No identification markings are visible on the aircraft that fired the missile.

“A Russian MiG-29 fighter jet shot down an unarmed, unmanned air vehicle which was performing basic reconnaissance over Georgian territory,” Colonel David Nairashvili, commander of Georgia’s air force, told Reuters.

“It’s absolutely illegal for a Russian MiG-29 to be there,” he said.

“The MiG-29 has a distinctive twin-tail marking. It’s a Russian aircraft. Georgia does not possess it, nor do Abkhaz separatists.”

In Washington, a State Department spokesman, Tom Casey, said the United States was concerned by reports of the incident and was seeking information from the Russian Government.

Abkhazia, on the Black Sea coast, is internationally recognised as part of Georgia. It has been controlled by Moscow-backed separatists since a war in the early 1990s.

Abkhazia’s separatist administration said on Sunday that its own forces had shot down the drone because it was violating Abkhaz air space and breaching ceasefire agreements.

Last week, Georgia accused Moscow of a de facto annexation of Abkhazia and a second breakaway Georgian region, South Ossetia, after President Putin ordered his Government to establish closer ties with the separatists.

I suppose the answer to the Russians' question over why one of their planes would be over Georgian territory is that Russia doesn't recognise Georgia's control of that area.
 

Finn McCool

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I suppose the answer to the Russians' question over why one of their planes would be over Georgian territory is that Russia doesn't recognise Georgia's control of that area.

No. That would entail recognition of Abkhazia, which is something that the Russians don't want to do yet. They might either try to dispute where it happened or deny it happened all together. The Caucusus is a dangerous place.
 

Pointblank

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No. That would entail recognition of Abkhazia, which is something that the Russians don't want to do yet. They might either try to dispute where it happened or deny it happened all together. The Caucusus is a dangerous place.

Looking at Russian media, they are trying to say that the Abkhazia's shot down the drone, and that they have no involvement (yeah right).

This is many in a series of incidents caused by the Russians to attempt to bully Georgia after it elected a Western-leaning government a while back. Georgia is seeking NATO membership, and is currently a member of the Partnership for Peace, which is a step in joining NATO.
 

Mr T

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Looking at Russian media, they are trying to say that the Abkhazia's shot down the drone, and that they have no involvement (yeah right).

Does Abkhazia have an airforce, let alone Mig-29s? I don't think so. Are the Russian media really saying that? If so it rather demonstrates the hollow nature of the Kremlin's defence.
 

Pointblank

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Does Abkhazia have an airforce, let alone Mig-29s? I don't think so. Are the Russian media really saying that? If so it rather demonstrates the hollow nature of the Kremlin's defence.

Abkhazia from what is known has a couple of Aero L-39 Albatros trainers, and maybe a MiG-21 Fishbed and a Su-25 Frogfoot. No MiG-29's I'm afraid, and the only MiG-29 operator that can fly over Abkhazia without flying over Georgian airspace is Russia, as it can't be the Azerbaijani's, or the Kazakhstani's, as they have a long flight to fly to Abkhazia, that would be pushing the max range of a MiG-29.

From what I am reading and seeing in the videos, it appears that the pilot got sloppy and flew in real close to shoot the drone down, after missing with his first missile. Unfortunately, he flew in close enough to be caught on camera.
 

Gollevainen

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At least on that youtube video, there weren't two missiles fired but the same attack was played twice, as a recap.
 

Pointblank

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At least on that youtube video, there weren't two missiles fired but the same attack was played twice, as a recap.

The New York Times is reporting that according to the Georgian MOD, the first missile fired missed, and the pilot apparently decided to approach closer for a second shot, and they were able to catch the airplane on camera.
 

SteelBird

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From the video, I can see the MiG made a sharp turn before firing (its position was lower than the drone?), I guess the MiG was trying to get a good firing position, but maybe it didn't know that the camera was pointing to that position too, that's why it was captured by the camera. However the drone seem flying near the coast.
 

Mr T

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I thought the Russians were telling porkies, but this confirms it.

UN backs Georgia over drone claim

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A Russian jet did shoot down an unmanned Georgian drone over the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia last month, UN monitors say.

The jet flew back into Russian airspace after the attack, a UN report says.

Russia has denied the charges - even though Georgia's defence ministry released video appearing to show a Russian MiG-29 shooting down the drone.

Tensions over Abkhazia have soared, with Georgia and Russia accusing each other of a military build-up. Moscow accuses Georgia of preparing to invade its breakaway region, where many residents hold Russian passports. Georgia says Russia is preparing to annex the region.

Georgia accused Moscow of an "act of international aggression" after the drone was shot down on 20 April. It released video, which it said was recorded by the drone itself, of a fighter plane approaching it and then launching a missile in its direction. The picture then went dead.

A Russian air force spokesman said the claim was "nonsense", while Abkhaz rebels said they had downed the drone. They have since claimed to have shot down several more.

But a report by UN monitors based in Abkhazia, released on Monday, said radar records showed the plane had flown into Russian airspace after the attack, and with no "compelling evidence to the contrary, this leads to the conclusion that the aircraft belonged to the Russian air force". Russia's defence ministry rejected the UN's findings.

However, the report also criticised Georgia for operating reconnaissance flights over Abkhazia, which it said breached the terms of the ceasefire deal that ended the Abkhaz war of the early 1990s.

On the same day, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev sent greetings to Georgia on its independence day, and expressed a wish for "constructive co-operation between our countries".

"I sincerely wish peace and prosperity to the Georgian people, with which we have century-old ties of friendship and spiritual kinship," his message said.

The Russians really are daft to try to claim it wasn't their plane.
 
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