Russian Flanker and SU-3X Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views
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nice shot of a Tiger Moth in the back-ground, all these pics illustrate that the Flanker is a big bird, she's not dainty by any means?
and the post above with the "wet" conditions and the drogue chute are illustrative of what we love about drogue chutes, they do add stability. Notice the crosswind as the chute is blown sideways as the speed is coming down, the aircraft aft has not yet deployed his chute.
got this video from shiv ,
i quote him
and some Indradanush exercise pics with RAF
This photo is a good illustration of the size of the Flanker as opposed to the Typhoon, the "Phoon" has a much larger wing area per weight, and likely very similar thrust? providing a very high lift and thrust to weight ratio, the real reason the "Phoon" is a star in the upper elevations, and a turning fool at any altitude? So for all the technical innovation in aerodynamics, some of it does remain simple physics, but if you throw in the carnard the Flanker has plenty of surface area as well, it is a very healthy performer, with some F-119s it would be a "menace"?
also that Pugachev vid is worth the watch! +1 for an aerial trapeze artist.
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thunderchief
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Typhoon has wing area of 51.2 sqm . With loaded weight of 16000 kg, that becomes 312.5 kg/sqm
Su-27 has wing area of 62 sqm . with loaded weight of 23430 kg it's something like 377.9 kg/sqm
In thrust to weight , using same weight for both aircraft , Typhoon has 11.25 N/kg if you calculate max afterburner thrust at 90 kN . With old Al-31 engines (122.6 kN) , Su-27 would have 10.46 N/kg . But Su-27 in Russian air force have been upgraded with AL-31F M1(at least) with 135 kN , and that would yield 11.52 N/kg .
Overall, considering delta-wing of Typhoon , it has considerable ITR but it is mediocre at best when it comes to STR . Unfortunately for them , Su-27 also has impressive ITR and not so good STR (compared to let's say early version of F-16) , but Flanker's STR is still better then Typhoon's . In vertical combat Typhoon has advantage over earlier versions of Su-27 , but not against upgraded ones .
Pilots of Typhoon would be well advised to avoid close combat with Flankers, because they would probably have only one chance to shoot (at the beginning of merge) . After that, in prolonged combat, Flanker has advantage .
Yes but despite its large size i think he can carry only one BrahMos-A where there are the 2 central hard points positioned in tandem, no under wings, normaly it is ready for 2016.
After a new Brahmos-M for 2017? less long* 6 m, diameter also presumably about 1,5/2 t ? three max on a Su-30MKI and one for Rafale, Mig-29K.
* Seems BrahMos-A also long as initial Brahmos ( for ships/TEL ) 8 m but less heavy as i have mentionned and get a 300 kg warhead, initial BrahMos according some sites 200 kg but seems now in fact 300, all variants because treaty have a range of 290 km, in more a futur Hypersonic variant in project, Brahmos II with a max speed of mach 7.
Brahmos is based on the SS-N-26/P-800
Now why would we want to use the same weight for both aircraft, the Flanker is much heavier, and has a higher wing loading, which was my point. Typhoon has a much higher thrust to weight ratio and a higher ITR! I believe when the Chinese put their J-10 up against their J-11s the J-10 proved to be much more agile and whooped the J-11s pretty good?
The Flanker is a very large aircraft, though agile, it is not in the league of the Typhoon, mainly for the reasons I have given? now OVT does even the odds somewhat, but not completely, and I have no doubt in a turning contest the "phoon" is going to put it on the Flanker, that s why the Russians are buying the SU-35s, to regain some of that, while retaining the very high weight carrying capacity of the Flanker, which will no doubt haul a load of whatever?
A similar analogy might be the SuperMarine Spitfire as opposed to Republics P-47?
SinoSoldier
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Seems like the Chinese could respond by integrating the YJ-12 or a variant of the CX-1 onto their J-15S aircraft. But again, the J-15S has to enter service first.
have you seen this documentry,
it shows that the su27 has a lower wing loading than it seems