Russian Flanker and SU-3X Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

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    This thread is about Modern Russian Flanker air frame designs, to include the SU-30M2, the SU-30SM, the SU-35S, and the SU-34. We can start off what should be a lively, and long dsicussion with the article by Thomas Newdick at War is Boring:

    Russia's New Air Force: Why is Russia buying three very similar Flanker aircraft?


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    It should be noted that the Russians are also in serial production with the Mig-29K aircraft. They will replace the SU-33 aircraft of the Russians current carrier, the Kuznetsov, and on any future carriers at this point. They will also be used in some numbers by other Russian forces, but are off topic for the purposes of this thread.

    Finally, to this article about new Flamkers, let's add the SU-34 Fullback.


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    SU-34 FULLBACK

    This is another variation/modernization of the Flanker Air Frame design. Originally, the plans and test for this aircraft began in the 1990s. But it never proceeded through to production., Then, in 2006, the Russian government purchased the first two aircraft. The aircraft is a full on Strike Fighter aircraft, with increased payload, increased range, and a side-by-side crew cabin that includes toilet and galley facilities. This aircraft is comparable to what the US did with the F-111 design. These aircraft are expected to replace the SU-24 fleet of strike aircraft the Russians continue to maintain, many of them in mothballs.

    The SU-34 shares its wing structure, tail, and engine arrangement with the SU-30 aircraft. it adds canards like the SU-30SM and SU-33 to increase maneuverability and reduce trim drag. .But it has has an entirely new nose and forward fuselage with a cockpit providing the side-by-side seating mentioned above. The Fullback is powered by two AL-31FM1 engines with a max speed of Mach 1.4 with a full war load. It has an unrefueled, full-load combat radius of over 700 miles, but can be refueled in flight to extend the range indefinitely.
    This aircraft has 12 hardpoints which can carry 26,500 lbs of ordinance, including the latest Russian precision-guided weapons. It is also armed with the GSh-30-1 30mm cannon.
    The Su-34's most distinctive feature its cockpit and flight deck. it is a full pressurized cabin for operations up to 33,000 feet. The pilot-commander sits to the left, while the navigator/weapons officer sits to the right. The aircraft uses NPP Zvezda K-36dm ejection seats. The two crew can stand and move around in the cabin during long missions. There is enough space in the corridor behand the two seats for one of the cew to lie down inif necessary, and, as mentioned a toilet and a galley are located behind the crew seats.

    Those first two aircraft were delivered by the end of 2007. Based on these aircraft, the order was increased to 32 aircraft in 2008. These have been delivered as follows:

    2009 - Three aircraft
    2010 - Four aircraft
    2011 - Six Aircraft
    2012 - Five Aircraft
    2013 - Twelve aircraft.

    In 2012 a second order for 92 more aircraft was awarded. Deliveries against this order commenced in 2014. To date, 32 aircraft have been dleivered.
     
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    Re: Russian SU-3X Flanker Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

    Good info and pics there Jeff my friend.
     
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    Thank you...but most of it (I did add different pictures) is from the excellent article by the author at "War is Boring." He and Deino apparently correspond with one another. I did add the part about the SU-34, which I think is a neat aircraft.

    I just think it is really interesting to contrast and compare what the Russians, who are the original designers of the SU-27 Flanker are doing with the air frame now two decades later, and what the Chinese are doing with the same basic air frame.

    They are taking some different paths...but also some paths that coincide and compare in many ways.

    Cool stuff.
     
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    Re: Russian SU-3X Flanker Thread: Videos, Pictures, News, Views

    This thread reminds me of the people who laid the basis for all these Flankers more than thirty years ago. I well remember being impressed by the huge ferry range of the early Flankers, much more than was usual at the time. ( And that reminded me that in the USAF LWF program the winner which became the F-16 was about as good as the other candidates except that its range exceeded the requirement by a large extend. ) The Flanker family could become as large as it is, and is likely to grow even larger, because the original concept was brilliant.
     
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    Outstanding, Jeff. Thanks for the topic.
     
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    Yes...exactly.

    The basis has been so fundamentally good, that it has allowed the Russians and anyone else who has bought into this design to continue to update it with new sensors, new weapons, new avionics, and all sorts fo tweeks to allow the basic air frame to continue to be utilized and keep them competitive all of these years.

    Bacially with the "Silent Eagle," and "Advanced Super Hornet," you are seeing similar things being done to older western designs that were basically and fundamentally good, to extend their useful life as well. But, IMHO, not to the extent that the Flanker is.
     
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    You are welcome.

    I think that the SU-30SM tandem seater, and the SU-35S are going to be very worthwhile strike fighters and fighters for quite some time to come...and very capable and dangerous.

    The SU-34 is just, IMHO, an extrodinarily good use of the airframe for a long range, heaveier attack aircraft which the Russians are going to be using for decades to come too.
     
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    How do the Russian Flankers compare with their Chinese counterparts, J-11B and J-16? Too bad Russia dropped the Su-33, and we can't compare it with the J-15.
     
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    Yes, it is very aerodynamically healthy, and is extremely robust. The crazy Russian airshow jockeys do some "nutso" things with this bird even without OVT, but the OVT places it in another realm, but it is a big airframe, with lots of room for fuel and whatever, that's hard to beat in my opinion, just a great airplane, and lots of life left in it for new projects and capabilities, shoot the T-50 is still a Flanker if you look at it, just an awesome airframe that is "gorgeous" to look at and loves the medium, in which it excels. brat
     
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    Yes...the SU-30SM will be a very effective strike fighter probably for the rest of mu life. Lots of power, Thrust vectoring, great avionics, great sensors, and a very strong weapons suite.

    The SU-35S is going to be one heck of an Air-supriority fighter. 4.5++ type thing. Certainly does not have the stealth and some of the other characteristics of the F-22...but it will be an aircraft that is very dangoreous just the same. ANy polito, including F-22 pilots are going to have to be at the top of their game when facing off against them.

    I am going to put together a comparison chart for these aircraft...these new flankers, and compare them against the CHinese birds in terms of their pure physical characteriostics. Someone else can come along and do a similar comparison as regards their sensors and electronics.
     
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